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Should long-term dole recipients be required to sign on daily at Garda station ?

Batty Boy

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FishOnABike

Varik wrote: »

Would rather public work programmes, just make the money not "free".

Isn't that called a job? If there's public work to be done that should be advertised, hired for and paid for at the going rate, creating employment.

Sin City

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yea, anyhow, back to reality

Reality of making them sign on at the station ?

This whole thread is not based in reality

WAW

I think I know why the OP picked the Garda station - nothing to do with criminalising the welfare process!
Once upon a time, certainly in the 70s and 80s, people on the dole dropped their weekly dole forms off at the Garda station. I presume this was in places with no welfare offices. There was very high unemployment. I have no idea what happens now re signing on. Essentially the Gardai was considered an organ of the state that could verify who you were and legally handle those claim forms and the station would be open on the designated morning to take the forms. Back then, lots of people didn't have cars or maybe no daily public transport so the local Garda station was handy.
Most small places have lost post offices now, limited public transport but still have small Garda stations that could be opened for a morning to facilitate signing on if necessary. Wasn't Drew Harris talking about reopening Garda stations?

Tammy!

Nah, stupid question.

Batty Boy

WAW wrote: »

I think I know why the OP picked the Garda station - nothing to do with criminalising the welfare process!
Once upon a time, certainly in the 70s and 80s, people on the dole dropped their weekly dole forms off at the Garda station. I presume this was in places with no welfare offices. There was very high unemployment. I have no idea what happens now re signing on. Essentially the Gardai was considered an organ of the state that could verify who you were and legally handle those claim forms and the station would be open on the designated morning to take the forms. Back then, lots of people didn't have cars or maybe no daily public transport so the local Garda station was handy.
Most small places have lost post offices now, limited public transport but still have small Garda stations that could be opened for a morning to facilitate signing on if necessary. Wasn't Drew Harris talking about reopening Garda stations?

You are right. Signing on the dole at the Garda station in rural areas continued until September 2004. Once the practice was ended, most tiny one garda, garda stations in rural ireland were no longer opened at regularly scheduled times.

denis1501

I remember it well, lads going into the Station in overalls, some covered in paint. They'd hand in their forms then straight out into the waiting van and off to work!

Apiarist

Batty Boy wrote: »

Should long-term dole recipients be required to sign on daily at Garda station ?

No, the dole should be scrapped altogether. Pay every citizen a certain amount of money each month, regardless of the employment status.

Yes, the same money will have to be collected in taxes. But on the other hand, no fear to lose benefits if one finds a job and the whole administration of welfare benefits is greatly simplified.

Batty Boy

victor8600 wrote: »

No, the dole should be scrapped altogether. Pay every citizen a certain amount of money each month, regardless of the employment status.

Yes, the same money will have to be collected in taxes. But on the other hand, no fear to lose benefits if one finds a job and the whole administration of welfare benefits is greatly simplified.

I believe that's an inevitable must in the future due to more and more automaton but for whatever reason, the Irish civil service have instead gone down the Tory party road by bringing in the likes of Seetec

Strumms

Give it to people who NEED it as opposed to those that don't... I'd tòo like too see fraudulent claims investigated and most importantly those claiming fraudulently prosecuted so there is actually a deterrent to being a robbing fùck.

Robert_Beach

victor8600 wrote: »

No, the dole should be scrapped altogether. Pay every citizen a certain amount of money each month, regardless of the employment status.

Yes, the same money will have to be collected in taxes. But on the other hand, no fear to lose benefits if one finds a job and the whole administration of welfare benefits is greatly simplified.

I agree with UBI to an extent but don't think the megrich and high earners should get it.

kowloon

Sin City wrote: »

Reality of making them sign on at the station ?

This whole thread is not based in reality

I think the thread was pretty well understood from the second post onwards.

Cina

Robert_Beach wrote: »

I agree with UBI to an extent but don't think the megrich and high earners should get it.

That isn't UBI then so you don't agree with it.

Wanderer78

Robert_Beach wrote:

I agree with UBI to an extent but don't think the megrich and high earners should get it.

Cina wrote:

That isn't UBI then so you don't agree with it.

Ubi is an interesting idea, can't ever see it happening though

blueshade

I think quite a few long term dole recipients are already well known to Gardai, with quite a few required to attend Garda stations to sign for other reasons. No able bodied person under the age of 30 should be in receipt of long term jobseekers allowance. They just wouldn't work to warm themselves.

[Deleted User]

We should kill off the elderly first and foremost

[Deleted User]

Robert_Beach wrote: »

I agree with UBI to an extent but don't think the megrich and high earners should get it.

The megarich would be playing far more in taxes than they receive in UBI if implemented correctly. It's important for everyone to get it as it removes the tension between classes. The dole bashers would disappear overnight.

blueshade

Deleted User wrote: »

We should kill off the elderly first and foremost

We won't need to, eventually the retirement age will be so high that people will be dying before they get to retire.