JJJackal wrote: » Common sense would suggest not building a greenway beside active rail lines unless you are 100% sure there will be no risk to those using the greenway. Realistically I would not be happy with a greenway beside a train line if there was less than a 1 in 100,000 chance of injury to a person using the greenway due to a train accident or incident
westtip wrote: » This really gets more hilarious by the minute, based on your 1 in 100,000 chance of injury you would have to have a crash barrier put in place on every pavement in the country that runs alongside a road. If you can provide an actuarial figure of liklihood to back up your thinking, then I suggest you remain unhappy with the idea. By the way there is a path alongside the Dart I think around Sandycove area how many people have leapt onto the Dartline there........Errr none so far.
Deleted User wrote: » As for the WRC, well, it hasn't been active line since 1976 so it's a non issue.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » [Deleted User] wrote: » How has everyone suddenly lost the ability to quote properly on this thread? On topic, a greenway beside an active rail line is not an issue and done all over the world Interested, where is there a greenway along an operational railway? Any idea of train speeds and type of fencing? Sorry if its me not quoting correctly, I'm new to boards 25mph train speed limits on the Avon valley Heritage railway. Clearly that’s what cycling campaigners want on any operational railway beside a Greenway.https://www.avonvalleyrailway.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/RISK-ASSESSMENT-2016.pdf
[Deleted User] wrote: » How has everyone suddenly lost the ability to quote properly on this thread? On topic, a greenway beside an active rail line is not an issue and done all over the world Interested, where is there a greenway along an operational railway? Any idea of train speeds and type of fencing? Sorry if its me not quoting correctly, I'm new to boards
Muckyboots wrote: » Sligo eye wrote: » Matt Carthy is a SF MEP who lobby's for WOT in Europe. That's a fact is it not? The same logic would suggest that Matt Carthy is a male, therefore all males are Sinn Féiners.
Sligo eye wrote: » Matt Carthy is a SF MEP who lobby's for WOT in Europe. That's a fact is it not?
ShaneC1600 wrote: » There is a walkway along Lough Atalia, Renmore to Galway station too, I wouldn't drive to Galway for a walk along it though! And there is a palisade fence along the full length too, i don't know why they put the fence along it, must be something to do with trains.
Lord Glentoran wrote: » ShaneC1600 wrote: » 25mph train speed limits on the Avon valley Heritage railway. Clearly that’s what cycling campaigners want on any operational railway beside a Greenway.https://www.avonvalleyrailway.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/RISK-ASSESSMENT-2016.pdf could folks please look at this photo attached and do a risk assessment, I mean what are those people thinking of placing themselves in peril and danger with only so much as a flimsy wire fence to protect them from imminent calamity; And this clearly is not the Avon Valley Heritage Railway, people call me Anti railway, I am not by the way but maybe we now have the anti greenway parallel to a railway faction! one thing I will say if they had done this alongside the Ennis/Athenry line it would have had more users than the railway! and it would have encouraged people to cycle one way and train it back the other, hey ho on we we go choo choo Attachment not found.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » 25mph train speed limits on the Avon valley Heritage railway. Clearly that’s what cycling campaigners want on any operational railway beside a Greenway.https://www.avonvalleyrailway.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/RISK-ASSESSMENT-2016.pdf
westtip wrote: » Lord Glentoran wrote: » could folks please look at this photo attached and do a risk assessment, I mean what are those people thinking of placing themselves in peril and danger with only so much as a flimsy wire fence to protect them from imminent calamity; And this clearly is not the Avon Valley Heritage Railway, people call me Anti railway, I am not by the way but maybe we now have the anti greenway parallel to a railway faction! one thing I will say if they had done this alongside the Ennis/Athenry line it would have had more users than the railway! and it would have encouraged people to cycle one way and train it back the other, hey ho on we we go choo choo Attachment not found. In fairness a 4ft or 5ft chain link fence like that isn't the worst!
Lord Glentoran wrote: » could folks please look at this photo attached and do a risk assessment, I mean what are those people thinking of placing themselves in peril and danger with only so much as a flimsy wire fence to protect them from imminent calamity; And this clearly is not the Avon Valley Heritage Railway, people call me Anti railway, I am not by the way but maybe we now have the anti greenway parallel to a railway faction! one thing I will say if they had done this alongside the Ennis/Athenry line it would have had more users than the railway! and it would have encouraged people to cycle one way and train it back the other, hey ho on we we go choo choo Attachment not found.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » [Deleted User] wrote: » How has everyone suddenly lost the ability to quote properly on this thread? On topic, a greenway beside an active rail line is not an issue and done all over the world Interested, where is there a greenway along an operational railway? Any idea of train speeds and type of fencing? Sorry if its me not quoting correctly, I'm new to boards There's a greenway I use here in Leiden, The Netherlands that runs along the main railway into Amsterdam. Trains travel up to 140km/h on this particular section and there's a train every 3 minutes. It's not an issue at all, there's a decent wire fence separating the line from the greenway. It's about 10ft tall. It honestly feels very safe, it's just really nice not to be next to cars and buses!
westtip wrote: » Nobody is asking anyone to drive a long way to use any greenway, there are two priorities in the campaign for the Greenway on the closed railway from Athenry to Collooney on the route of the closed railway. 1. Provide a local amenity for the communities along the route, so they don't have to drive anywhere to use a greenway, whether its parallel to an existing railway or on the route of a closed for 40 years railway 2. To be part of the national greenway network so that tourists can take long distance cycling trips and happen to pass through places like Tuam, Claremorris etc and bring trade to those communities - people need to eat sleep and drink. I have cycled the westport greenway and its excellent. The benefits for the area are clear to see and I'm sure with the population of both Tuam and Athenry the greenway would be well used but alot of emphasis for the proposed greenway is on tourists. Is there a possibility that building greenways throughout the country will dilute the number of tourists. Like, has the Waterford, Athlone or Limerick greenway taken tourists from Mayo? Or are numbers equally good for all open greenways? And could it create a best greenway takes all? I've walked the WRC many times and the views would not be as scenic as say the proposed Connemarra greenway. Even if you read the reviews of say the Mayo greenway there all great but nearly all use the scenery as the main reason. But I do wish a decision is made soon.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » But I do wish a decision is made soon.
westtip wrote: » could folks please look at this photo attached and do a risk assessment, I mean what are those people thinking of placing themselves in peril and danger with only so much as a flimsy wire fence to protect them from imminent calamity; And this clearly is not the Avon Valley Heritage Railway, people call me Anti railway, I am not by the way but maybe we now have the anti greenway parallel to a railway faction! one thing I will say if they had done this alongside the Ennis/Athenry line it would have had more users than the railway! and it would have encouraged people to cycle one way and train it back the other, hey ho on we we go choo choo
westtip wrote: » strangely I trust people to be able to walk on a footpath without stepping out in front of a truck, so no reason why I wouldn't apply the same thinking to people walking alongside a railway, .
Markcheese wrote: » This isn't an Irish thing, but have you noticed people on holiday when they walk, they wander, up the middle of the road, stop and contemplate life at the entrance to a car park, halt behind a fork lift on a working pier... People are idiots, (I know I'm people), so a fence would be necessary to stop some twit wandering along an active rail line... But as it'll never again be an active railway line. And because sour grapes seems to stop it being a green way, its all bit accedemic really..
Del.Monte wrote: » CIE love any excuse to whack up a palisade fence and a greenway fenced off by one would hardly be a pleasant experience, but there's nowt queer as folk.
yer man! wrote: » ShaneC1600 wrote: » There's a greenway I use here in Leiden, The Netherlands that runs along the main railway into Amsterdam. Trains travel up to 140km/h on this particular section and there's a train every 3 minutes. It's not an issue at all, there's a decent wire fence separating the line from the greenway. It's about 10ft tall. It honestly feels very safe, it's just really nice not to be next to cars and buses! I can throw a little into this debate. The fences don't need to be massive. In general, the situation is a lot safer that road traffic. The photos is one that I took in 2016 in Germany. On that line are freight trains, ICEs (not at full speed), IC, Regional trains, and s-bahns. Around about a train of some description every 10 minutes. That rickety old fence is all that separates people, bikes, children, animals, and the odd car from the trains. Since I took this photo the situation has not improved and in fact the fence is missing in many places. A bit of common sense goes a long way in these situations. (yes yes, common sense is not so common). Another example which I'm aware of, and which is more similar to the Irish situation (in terms of traffic volume and speed) is here: https://goo.gl/maps/a4dppfG28Ndip2ME8 In this case, there is no fence. Only a grass margin about 2 metre wide or so.
ShaneC1600 wrote: » There's a greenway I use here in Leiden, The Netherlands that runs along the main railway into Amsterdam. Trains travel up to 140km/h on this particular section and there's a train every 3 minutes. It's not an issue at all, there's a decent wire fence separating the line from the greenway. It's about 10ft tall. It honestly feels very safe, it's just really nice not to be next to cars and buses!
eastwest wrote: » The sad part of all this is that the row between the pro tourism group and the people who probably genuinely believe that trains will run on this route just allows the government to take their money elsewhere. The existence of two factions gives them the perfect excuse to do nothing, and the money goes to waterford, or Kerry, or anywhere but Galway/Mayo/Sligo.
westtip wrote: » Difficult to understand how they can be taking so long to state the obvious!
galwaytt wrote: » oh that's easy, it's called ... "Billable Hours".
Carawaystick wrote: » No light rail carriages/trams run on 1600mm gauge, and none ever will.
Muckyboots wrote: » Irish Rail is to be asked to [do something]. Councillor [X] believes ...
eastwest wrote: » Just as with the railway north of athenry, none of the track on mullingar-athlone is capable of carrying anything, and would have to be ripped up and replaced along with the ballast if it was decided to open a light or heavy railway on the route. The light rail idea is just a flyer from a councillor, if any railway is laid in the future on this route it would make sense to build a heavy railway. But all least the route will have been preserved by the greenway.
westtip wrote: » The truth is if we had a real rail lobby group representing the West of Ireland the Athlone - Mullingar - Connolly route had the potential for an alternative Athlone commuter route to Dublin and an alternative route for Galway Dublin. The greenway does protect this route, but as a railway route is has massively more potential than Claremorris to Athenry!
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