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Rugby World Cup Final 2019 Eng vs S Africa

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Clive Woodward on ITV commentary we've all been here (well brian o'Driscoll hasn't but let's not mention that )

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Letwin_Larry

sydthebeat wrote: »

Hahaha..... Off with ya... Youve been found out.

no i disagree.
your post-match "analysis" of the Wales game was woefully poor, as today's victory by SA has proven.

at least have the maturity to admit it.
there's no shame in being wrong.

Naggdefy

Stheno wrote: »

I grew up in Portlaoise in the 70s and 80s.

Even then the rugby club did well tbh

It did but Portlaoise GFC were winning a club AI in 1983. It was no more successful than Carlow at that time in towns cup. Brian Rigney alright. Niall, Noel etc went GAA.

Naggdefy

Stheno wrote: »

I grew up in Portlaoise in the 70s and 80s.

Even then the rugby club did well tbh

Saku Nagwyna, South African, doing great work with Portlaoise juveniles for over a decade in Portlaoise. Top class person.

swiwi_

Neil Francis is clutching at the thinnest of straws...

Dog Murphy

Naggdefy wrote: »

Looking at the strength of the SA pack substitutes and of the big 3 it's obvious our strength in depth is holding us back a fair bit. Wales do a bit better with what they have, at WCs anyway.

I think rugby in Ireland needs to grab a large percentage of the GAA share. I think it's starting to happen a bit in rural Ireland. Take a town like Portlaoise, 22,000 pop with one GAA club. A lot of kids won't get first team games there. Potential to exploit in such areas. Rugby is a very appealing sport to a lot of GAA players. Would love to have had the opportunity in my prime.

Take Dublin, Jack McCaffrey (wing etc) MD McCauley back row, James McCarthy suberb athlete etc. Michael Murphy of Donegal impressed in the AIB toughest trade in Clermont, with his kicking ability especially.

I wonder if there will ever be a day when there is a failure by an Irish international sportsperson/team and the GAA doesn't get blamed for it.

Naggdefy

Dog Murphy wrote: »

I wonder if there will ever be a day when there is a failure by an Irish international sportsperson/team and the GAA doesn't get blamed for it.

It's not blame for the GAA. Just pointing out that rugby, like all sports, has to optimise it's playing base.

Letwin_Larry

i believe the reason many people/pundits/posters got the final wrong is that after the Welsh game, they incorrectly assumed SA were not capable of playing open rugby when needed. clearly as Eddie Jones & co. will testify, that is not the case.
SA can play ugly, and they can play a more expansive game when that is required. why exert yourself playing minnows like Japan or Canada with the final beckoning. great credit must go to Erasmus for such a tactical masterclass, especially if you consider this is his first WC.

what i do find amusing is that the average Irish rugby fan (of which i am one) were so heavily critical of the SA style after the semi. i mean the words POT 'n KETTLE spring to mind.

forgive me but the "hoof 'n chase" or the "up yer jumper" fare we have had to endure over the decades is not exactly going to have a world audience drooling for more, even if we do pride ourselves & our fans on being such great craic. the reason we never progress is not only is it awful to watch, but unlike the BOKS we are as PREDICTABLE as a wet day in Sligo.

and perhaps that's why many Irish "pundits" got this wrong. because we have become so accustomed, so inured, so numbed by our own, home-grown predictable muck, that we expected the same from the World Champions.

tanko

swiwi_ wrote: »

Neil Francis is clutching at the thinnest of straws...

What has he said?

Neil3030

Sinckler was a huge loss to England, and not just the scrum. His hands are up there with the best of the English forwards, and a ball-carrying threat who can pass and offload (i.e. switch point of attack) is a huge asset when you're under the kosh physically.

It was 18-12 when Mapimpi scored the breakaway try, and I do wonder what the score would have been at that moment if Sinckler had been on the field for 60 odd minutes. You could surely wipe a couple of scrum penalties from SA's score at least.

But that aside, well done, Bokke. PSDT and Faf were incredible throughout the tournament, and I'm delighted for Kolisi and Rassie.

BarryD2

shootermacg wrote: »

Defense is king and all it takes is effort. I wonder what new laws will be introduced to combat this.
There is talk of a line out reversal for certain kicks, which would certainly take a few defenders out of the line, so maybe that will be enough.

Why new laws needed? Lots of attacking play in this years WC. Eng were said to have a very tough defence and yet were opened up twice at end of today like a can of sardines. SA did play a powerful defensive game but they could attack when the opportunity arose. Nothing wrong with that, just good tactics.

ionadnapóca

tanko wrote: »

What has he said?

Noooo
Don’t bother or click
Whatever he said is more than likely bollocks and sensation seeking

fryup

were England a tad complacent today?

awec

fryup wrote: »

were England a tad complacent today?

No, they were just beaten out the gate by a better team.

FrancieBrady

fryup wrote: »

were England a tad complacent today?

Shell shocked from the get go and nobody knew how to turn it around.
Far too many were making early claims of world dominance for this English team. They have bottled it before, could become a thing for them.

awec

I just remembered that the boks tried to setup a maul in midfield from open play. They deserved to win for that alone, haven't seen a team try that in ages.

Bob Harris

awec wrote: »

I just remembered that he boks tried to setup a maul in midfield from open play. They deserved to win for that alone, haven't seen a team try that in ages.

Stand out moment in the final for me. Completely unexpected.

ClanofLams

Should end calls for four year cycle anyway. Erasmus got it done in under two years.

shootermacg

Neil3030 wrote: »

Sinckler was a huge loss to England, and not just the scrum. His hands are up there with the best of the English forwards, and a ball-carrying threat who can pass and offload (i.e. switch point of attack) is a huge asset when you're under the kosh physically.

It was 18-12 when Mapimpi scored the breakaway try, and I do wonder what the score would have been at that moment if Sinckler had been on the field for 60 odd minutes. You could surely wipe a couple of scrum penalties from SA's score at least.

But that aside, well done, Bokke. PSDT and Faf were incredible throughout the tournament, and I'm delighted for Kolisi and Rassie.

I was literally thinking the same thing the moment Itoje knocked him out, England use him as almost a loop around in a lot of their attacking plays.

They really had nothing in attack when he went off.

shootermacg

ClanofLams wrote: »

Should end calls for four year cycle anyway. Erasmus got it done in under two years.

Not sure it matters to be honest, except sometimes, a new coach breaths some life into a stale set-up.

I think Rassie brought SA back to basics and, Jacques Nienaber is the best defensive coach in the world.

SA rugby players are simple folk, tell them exactly what to do, keep it simple and they'll do it better than any team.

chupacabra

The English players havent been smug or overly-confident. The fans, on both sides, have created this environment of the cocky Anglo once again taking their lad out and schlomping it down on the table-map, waving it around to choose where they will place their dominance again.

It's a game, It's a final. England lost against the Republic of South Africa in a final.

Eddie Jones is a ****ing pleb **** though get ****ing REKT *dab* *dab* *dab*

**** England and **** South Africa. Rory........... BEST!!! BEST!

In many ways Ireland won this World Cup.

chupacabra

chupacabra wrote: »

The English players havent been smug or overly-confident. The fans, on both sides, have created this environment of the cocky Anglo once again taking their lad out and schlomping it down on the table-map, waving it around to choose where they will place their dominance again.

It's a game, It's a final. England lost against the Republic of South Africa in a final.

Eddie Jones is a ****ing pleb **** though get ****ing REKT *dab* *dab* *dab*

**** England and **** South Africa. Rory........... BEST!!! BEST!

In many ways Ireland won this World Cup.

I'm being sarcastic. Sorry.

RoversCeltic

Naggdefy wrote: »

Looking at the strength of the SA pack substitutes and of the big 3 it's obvious our strength in depth is holding us back a fair bit. Wales do a bit better with what they have, at WCs anyway.

I think rugby in Ireland needs to grab a large percentage of the GAA share. I think it's starting to happen a bit in rural Ireland. Take a town like Portlaoise, 22,000 pop with one GAA club. A lot of kids won't get first team games there. Potential to exploit in such areas. Rugby is a very appealing sport to a lot of GAA players. Would love to have had the opportunity in my prime.

Take Dublin, Jack McCaffrey (wing etc) MD McCauley back row, James McCarthy suberb athlete etc. Michael Murphy of Donegal impressed in the AIB toughest trade in Clermont, with his kicking ability especially.

GAA is a minority sport in Ireland though, more people play soccer than rugby hurling and gaelic football combined,

c.p.w.g.w

Rassie has done unreal stuff with the saffers and previously at Munster. His leaving on a massive high

Squidgy Black

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Rassie has done unreal stuff with the saffers and previously at Munster. His leaving on a massive high

He's not leaving, he's just stepping down from head coach and going back to his director of rugby role which he originally took up/was doing alongside head coach. He only stepped in as head coach after Coetzee was sacked

c.p.w.g.w

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He's not leaving, he's just stepping down from head coach and going back to his director of rugby role which he originally took up/was doing alongside head coach. He only stepped in as head coach after Coetzee was sacked

Oh yeah I know, his stepped down as coach

Naggdefy

RoversCeltic wrote: »

GAA is a minority sport in Ireland though, more people play soccer than rugby hurling and gaelic football combined,

Not anymore, ahead of soccer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/sport/gaa-most-popular-652397

Prior to this hurling and football had a combined male percentage player rate of 13%, same as soccer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/rugby/rugby-irelands-most-popular-sport-384546

I think rugby would pick up more players from GAA, look at Hayes, O'Brien, Furlong, Shane Horgan etc.

The Lost Sheep

Naggdefy wrote: »

Looking at the strength of the SA pack substitutes and of the big 3 it's obvious our strength in depth is holding us back a fair bit. Wales do a bit better with what they have, at WCs anyway.

I think rugby in Ireland needs to grab a large percentage of the GAA share. I think it's starting to happen a bit in rural Ireland. Take a town like Portlaoise, 22,000 pop with one GAA club. A lot of kids won't get first team games there. Potential to exploit in such areas. Rugby is a very appealing sport to a lot of GAA players. Would love to have had the opportunity in my prime.

Take Dublin, Jack McCaffrey (wing etc) MD McCauley back row, James McCarthy suberb athlete etc. Michael Murphy of Donegal impressed in the AIB toughest trade in Clermont, with his kicking ability especially.

for rugby to get more playing you dont necessarily have to take from gaa but get more development officers into schools and get more clubs fielding club teams especially in some areas of the country. Number of clubs fielding underage in Dublin should be far higher. If you cant afford to attend fee school then you are restricted a bit from playing in Dublin.

Dog Murphy wrote: »

I wonder if there will ever be a day when there is a failure by an Irish international sportsperson/team and the GAA doesn't get blamed for it.

nobody is blaming gaa at all.

RoversCeltic wrote: »

GAA is a minority sport in Ireland though, more people play soccer than rugby hurling and gaelic football combined,

gaa isnt minority. Is there any figures to prove that as its really not true.

Naggdefy wrote: »

Not anymore, ahead of soccer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/sport/gaa-most-popular-652397

Prior to this hurling and football had a combined male percentage player rate of 13%, same as soccer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.balls.ie/amp/rugby/rugby-irelands-most-popular-sport-384546

I think rugby would pick up more players from GAA, look at Hayes, O'Brien, Furlong, Shane Horgan etc.

none of those really were picked from gaa. Furlong, o brien and horgan all played rugby from young age and hayes was 20 when played first rugby game.

c.p.w.g.w

People keep talking about we need more people playing etc, but our key players actually play very little, his seems to be our issue. ROG spoke about game time for peak performance and most of Ireland's players were nowhere the required minutes. Somewhere around 600 minutes.

Sure Sexton is a guest player for Leinster for Pro14

Naggdefy

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

none of those really were picked from gaa. Furlong, o brien and horgan all played rugby from young age and hayes was 20 when played first rugby game.

I know what you mean. I suppose coming from outside the Dublin schools framework in Leinster.

Yes an increase in the level of clubs but that eventually probably will mean taking players from other sports to increase rugby playing numbers.

tototoe

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

People keep talking about we need more people playing etc, but our key players actually play very little, his seems to be our issue. ROG spoke about game time for peak performance and most of Ireland's players were nowhere the required minutes. Somewhere around 600 minutes.

Sure Sexton is a guest player for Leinster for Pro14

This. Wrapping players up in bubble wrap and managing their playing minutes to the extent that has gone on recently is definitely part of the issue,. Sexton a case in point. Hes only our best player if hes actually on the field.

This nonsense of not risking players against lower ranked teams is also horse manure. If players are that fragile, then move on and find someone else who isnt made of glass to play routinely. The approach we have taken recently with some players does absolutely nothing for consistency in a team.