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Rugby World Cup Final 2019 Eng vs S Africa

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Clive Woodward on ITV commentary we've all been here (well brian o'Driscoll hasn't but let's not mention that )

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votecounts wrote: »

Delighted thats Erasmus and Springsbok won, deserved it fully and also to wipe the smirk off Farrells face, priceless:D

Of all the English players, I think I respect him the most. His northern accent somehow allows me to drop my prejudice too.

jr86

Step too far for England today, become yet another team to beat NZ and then lose the next game without as much of a whimper. Huge emotional and physical toll in taking out the ABs

I wouldn't be too hard on them, its been a fine tournament for them, arguably up there with the greatest ever individual world cup performance against NZ also. Themselves, SA and NZ all lost one game each - there's not much between them at all, and if both England and SA were to replay next week it could be very different - similarly if England and NZ replayed today. Good for rugby that there's no real dominant force at present, with 3 fine sides. England only had two starters aged 30 today - Lawes is interchangeable anyway, and Youngs is probably the weak link in their side, so this side has much more rugby in them yet, and will rightfully enter the 6 nations next february as favourites.

Was so impressed by SA, thoroughly deserving winners. They must have been 5th or 6th favourites for the tournament in the autumn of 2018? How things can change quickly! A Lions tour in 2021 should keep them focused for the next while aswell, so I can't see as stark a drop off like after the last world cup. As ever though - no matter what happens - they'll be back in flying form to defend their title in 2023!

Letwin_Larry

i have to say it's really amusing reading all the derogatory comments about SA after the Wales match.
just goes to show you the amount of tripe spouted on these pages by self-appointed "experts"

jr86

awec wrote: »

I was surprised Jones didn’t bring Marler and Kruis on at half time to try and fix the scrum.

Also Ben Youngs is absolute muck. Wouldn’t even pick him for Ulster.

Think one of Jones's biggest errors of judgment over the 4 year cycle was his hastiness in dropping Danny Care. Whisper it quietly (especially around these parts!) but I also feel Mike Brown still has plenty to offer them at FB. Far more at home in the position than Daly anyway. I know there's been lots of calls for Alex Goode to be recalled, but I never felt he fully took to international level.

Youngs will be 34 by the next world cup so will probably be put out to pasture. I don't think it helps that he's a bit of a pretty boy and doesn't tend to throw his body on the line or engage in any sort of shenanigans so synonymous with some of the great number 9s! I think Care has been far and away England's best 9 since the Matt Dawson days and even though he's past his best he brings far more around the park for me than Youngs. I get the impression he's not the easiest to manage though. Jones isn't the first coach to leave him out in the cold

hahashake

jr86 wrote: »

Step too far for England today, become yet another team to beat NZ and then lose the next game without as much of a whimper. Huge emotional and physical toll in taking out the ABs

I wouldn't be too hard on them, its been a fine tournament for them, arguably up there with the greatest ever individual world cup performance against NZ also. Themselves, SA and NZ all lost one game each - there's not much between them at all, and if both England and SA were to replay next week it could be very different - similarly if England and NZ replayed today. Good for rugby that there's no real dominant force at present, with 3 fine sides. England only had two starters aged 30 today - Lawes is interchangeable anyway, and Youngs is probably the weak link in their side, so this side has much more rugby in them yet, and will rightfully enter the 6 nations next february as favourites.

Was so impressed by SA, thoroughly deserving winners. They must have been 5th or 6th favourites for the tournament in the autumn of 2018? How things can change quickly! A Lions tour in 2021 should keep them focused for the next while aswell, so I can't see as stark a drop off like after the last world cup. As ever though - no matter what happens - they'll be back in flying form to defend their title in 2023!

There's an odd thing - that everyone is guilty of from time to time - where the last result is the definitive result. If 2 relatively evenly matched teams played 10 times with the exact same lineups, you would get vastly different results. SA beat England soundly, yet lost to the ABs and scraped past Wales.

I personally agree with those who were saying that it's very hard to back up a massive performance with an equally or greater performance, maybe because it fits my narrative but it seems the results back it up.

Mad_maxx

walshb wrote: »

Personally I think the Aussies of 1991 were the strongest team of all the world cups, at that time..they were so strong in 1991..

Great team but new Zealand in 87 were the greatest of them all, they made a great French team look ordinary in the final , i was nine years old, remember being in awe of that team and the whole thing seemed so far away and exotic

jr86

Digifriendly wrote: »

Possibly 1999 team was close. Far cry from now.

If anyone gets a free evening there's a great highlights video of the 1999 world cup. Bout 90 minutes in length

Funny looking back then. The game wasn't long pro but some of the tries (even in the latter stages of the tournament) are farcical. Unorthodox off-loading, lads jogging through about 3 defenders, barely any phases etc. Backs weren't nearly as powerful as now, and the game was so unstructured

Australia were the complete exception though, that 1999 side were miles ahead of their time. Big strong backs, a powerhouse pack, and executed the basics brilliantly

England were a machine in 2003 aswell. It was actually hard enough to judge SA properly in 2007, they had the easiest path in world cup history. Some outstanding players though, and they did win a Lions Tour in 2009.

NZ were obviously top class in 2011 and 15, although could well have been scalped by France in 11. Think that France run shows some of the 'flaws' (for want of a better word) in the RWC format. Knockout rugby can always be funny - and hence why I think fans and pundits judging everything solely on this tournament can be foolish. Very often the best team won't be the tournament winner in a knockout format event, although in fairness in the RWC it has tended to be the best side generally

Letwin_Larry

here's a good example of some of the rubbish spouted after the Wales semi

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If South Africa play like that and England play to their potential then this could easily be the most one-sided final of all time.

And we should have been in it... WE SHOULD BE THE ONES GETTING PUMPED BY ENGLAND NEXT WEEKEND GOD DAMMIT!

sydthebeat wrote: »

I honestly hope England hop the sh!t out of that bokke team for serving up that tripe...

And I think they will too.

England can match their power, play a game to keep the ball away from hard contact, and they have the backs to mezmerise those South African backs

The Iron Giant

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

here's a good example of some of the rubbish spouted after the Wales semi

Whats your point? They were spot on. Both SA and England didn't play like their semi final.

It wasn't rubbish at all.

Letwin_Larry

here's another analytical gem. LOL

thebaz wrote: »

well done South Africa - the triumph of **** rugby - sums up a dreadful world cup - unless the Union make serious changes to the game , the game will struggle to get viewers and sponsorship - sadly awful stuff.

and more

fitz wrote: »

Surprised, to be saying this, but 'hon England!!
Really don't want SA to win playing this kind of muck.

Letwin_Larry

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Whats your point? They were spot on. Both SA and England didn't play like their semi final.

It wasn't rubbish at all.

don't give up the day job!

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Agreed. If the performances are in any way similar to this weekend, England will win by 30+.

I need a week off rugby just so I don't have to watch another bloody box kick for a while.

Squidgy Black

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

here's another analytical gem. LOL

and more

None of what you've quoted is 'rubbish' though. Some people really don't like the brand of rugby that South Africa play (and arguably to an extent that Ireland do to), compared to New Zealand or even England in the semi.

The Wales game was a disaster for most fans to watch, because it was just sheer box kicking and rucking. Neutral fans generally don't want to watch that kind of contest.

sydthebeat

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

here's a good example of some of the rubbish spouted after the Wales semi

I wouldn't change that post even in hindsight.

Their semi final was atrocious....

Do you think otherwise?

Letwin_Larry

Squidgy Black wrote: »

None of what you've quoted is 'rubbish' though. Some people really don't like the brand of rugby that South Africa play (and arguably to an extent that Ireland do to), compared to New Zealand or even England in the semi.

The Wales game was a disaster for most fans to watch, because it was just sheer box kicking and rucking. Neutral fans generally don't want to watch that kind of contest.

i agree. we all like to see an open flowing game, eg Welsh sides of the 70s, French sides of almost every decade, All Blacks etc.

but there is only 1 2019 winner's name on that Trophy tonight.
and as SA proved earlier, they can play expansive rugby when required. (i think it's called TACTICS)

awec

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

here's a good example of some of the rubbish spouted after the Wales semi

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

here's another analytical gem. LOL

and more

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

don't give up the day job!

Don't be a dick. Give it a rest.

sydthebeat

Ah I think our Big Bok fan is back again

Letwin_Larry

sydthebeat wrote: »

I wouldn't change that post even in hindsight.

Their semi final was atrocious....

Do you think otherwise?

ya sure the SA back really looked mezmerized. did you not watch the game?

Stheno

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

South Africa may have won the game but England won the hearts.

Nope

SA and Kolisi all the way for me tbh

sydthebeat

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

ya sure the SA back really looked mezmerized. did you not watch the game?

Yeah..... I was commenting on how this game went 7 days in advance cos I'm psychic....

Go enjoy your win, hanging around here makes you look very sad

hahashake

Stheno wrote: »

Nope

SA and Kolisi all the way for me tbh

Is this a wooosh?

Stheno

hahashake wrote: »

Is this a wooosh?

A whoosh you mean?

sydthebeat

Stheno wrote: »

A whoosh you mean?

Cool whip??

Letwin_Larry

sydthebeat wrote: »

Yeah..... I was commenting on how this game went 7 days in advance cos I'm psychic....

Go enjoy your win, hanging around here makes you look very sad

it's not about being a pshchic. it's about being trying to analysise the game, and calling out people who clearly do not know how. i'm trying to be kind here btw.

afterall is that not the purpose of this thread?

Stheno

sydthebeat wrote: »

Cool whip??

That weird dessert? I've just seen photos of Faf in his jocks :eek:

sydthebeat

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

it's not about being a pshchic. it's about being trying to analysise the game, and calling out people who clearly do not know how. i'm trying to be kind here btw.

afterall is that not the purpose of this thread?

How could I analysis the game 7 days beforehand... This thread was only made this morning!!!

You actually brought those posts over from another thread in case you didn't realise

So sad

shootermacg

Defense is king and all it takes is effort. I wonder what new laws will be introduced to combat this.
There is talk of a line out reversal for certain kicks, which would certainly take a few defenders out of the line, so maybe that will be enough.

Naggdefy

Looking at the strength of the SA pack substitutes and of the big 3 it's obvious our strength in depth is holding us back a fair bit. Wales do a bit better with what they have, at WCs anyway.

I think rugby in Ireland needs to grab a large percentage of the GAA share. I think it's starting to happen a bit in rural Ireland. Take a town like Portlaoise, 22,000 pop with one GAA club. A lot of kids won't get first team games there. Potential to exploit in such areas. Rugby is a very appealing sport to a lot of GAA players. Would love to have had the opportunity in my prime.

Take Dublin, Jack McCaffrey (wing etc) MD McCauley back row, James McCarthy suberb athlete etc. Michael Murphy of Donegal impressed in the AIB toughest trade in Clermont, with his kicking ability especially.

Letwin_Larry

sydthebeat wrote: »

How could I analysis the game 7 days beforehand... This thread was only made this morning!!!

You actually brought those posts over from another thread in case you didn't realise

So sad

but we are talking about the WC TOURNAMENT, and to analyse the TOURNAMENT it's necessary to examine previous matches, and people's naive reactions to them.

sydthebeat

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

but we are talking about the WC TOURNAMENT, and to analyse the TOURNAMENT it's necessary to examine previous matches, and people's naive reactions to them.

Hahaha..... Off with ya... Youve been found out.

Stheno

Naggdefy wrote: »

Looking at the strength of the SA pack substitutes and of the big 3 it's obvious our strength in depth is holding us back a fair bit. Wales do a bit better with what they have, at WCs anyway.

I think rugby in Ireland needs to grab a large percentage of the GAA share. I think it's starting to happen a bit in rural Ireland. Take a town like Portlaoise, 22,000 pop with one GAA club. A lot of kids won't get first team games there. Potential to exploit in such areas. Rugby is a very appealing sport to a lot of GAA players. Would love to have had the opportunity in my prime.

Take Dublin, Jack McCaffrey (wing etc) MD McCauley back row, James McCarthy suberb athlete etc. Michael Murphy of Donegal impressed in the AIB toughest trade in Clermont, with his kicking ability especially.

I grew up in Portlaoise in the 70s and 80s.

Even then the rugby club did well tbh