GM228 wrote: » Just because any potential further extension may be refused (Tusk left the impression there will be no more extensions) does not mean they will leave with the current deal, nothing is guaranteed.
briany wrote: » All Corbyn would have to do would be to get around a table with the EU people and add some nice flowery language about jobs, protecting workers rights and the most vulnerable in society. No material changes, really, but a nice coat of red paint. The EU would probably roll their eyes and sigh about having to do this, but I think they'd eventually humour Corbyn.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Chances of extension to hold public vote: 100 per cent.
briany wrote: » The EU would be within their rights to say, "You've been 3 years trying to abide by the last referendum. What's to say this one will be any different?"
Irish Praetorian wrote: » I'm not sure that I would really take you to task on much of your wider point, but the 'Schrödinger's Immigrant' meme is actually a pet peeve of mine. In it's more pure form it would only be truthful if there had been a single migrant to whichever country in question over whatever time period one chooses - and whatever one might make about differing perceptions it, that is clearly not the case. <snip> Now whilst the upshot of all this is that I think one can easily rubbish the Schroedinger's Migrant meme, to be fair I think there is also a lot to be said about the circumstances that have arisen in our society wherein so many in paid employment still need the support of the state, and what has happened with our property sector to leave it so expensive. My only one conclusion in that regard would be, I don't think it has much at all to do with being in/out of the EU.
After nearly 16 months of investigating Vote Leave, the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) handed a file of evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service last month. The initial formal referral by the police means they are now seeking legal advice from the Crown Prosecution Service on how to further build their case against Vote Leave, and where they need further evidence to advance the prospect of charges being brought. Vote Leave have always denied any wrongdoing.
Bit cynical wrote: » It was an insurance policy that prevented a hard border being introduced.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Corbyn is in favour of a customs union.
Bit cynical wrote: » While I'm not sure I'd go to 100%, I agree that if Corbyn requested an extension purely to hold a public vote he'd probably get it. But Corbyn wants to completely renegotiate the deal and only then submit it to a vote.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » But against freedom of movement though wavering a bit. Also against common market because that would interfere with nationalisation of union voters jobs.
Enzokk wrote: » I don't think this has been highlighted or picked up yet.Johnson and Cummings under fire as police hand criminal evidence on Vote Leave to prosecution agency Vote Leave has been referred to the CPS to to see if there is criminal charges that can be made or to give them direction if more information is needed and where. I see this tweet is from yesterday so not sure if it has been picked up and I missed it or it has been ignored? I guess there is still a chance nothing happens, in fact most likely seeing as we are talking about the PM, his special advisor and a lot of the cabinet was involved with Vote Leave. At the very least this should be an inconvenience for the PM in the upcoming election, but the world is upside down so I would not be surprised if this turns out to be a positive for Johnson.
briany wrote: » Doncaster Pro-Brexit demonstrations called off today as no-one was going to show up. Organisers blamed the failure of the demonstration on the shortage of protesters.
Bit cynical wrote: » A way to ensure that the UK leaves with the currently negotiated deal would for one EU government to refuse to extend the deadline beyond the end of January. If Labour got in, there would not be time to hold a referendum and they would have to leave with the deal.
Akrasia wrote: » If Labour are in power they would be more likely to revoke a50 than leave with BoJos deal Especially if they rely on the lib dems as a coalition
looksee wrote: » I was just going to post this. Did they not realise how funny that is, failure of the demo due to lack of protesters? Well, yes...
Bit cynical wrote: » But the old backstop was indeed a trap for the UK, one that worked in Ireland's favor. The problem was that it was too good to be true. It wasn''t realistic and we had to back down over it in the end.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Focusing on Brexit alone misses the wider point. The reality is that the EU is convulsed by the Eurosceptic surge - and that surge is likely to amplify over the coming decade. One way or another, the European Union will be dead. Brexit is just the warning shot. Other countries will inevitably follow, with time and with enough pressure, and this egregious political entity will finally dissolve. I for one welcome the terminal decline of the EU - not because I want to see a return to the 1930s (and in response to the 1930s point, what contributed to war in the 1940s was not nationalism, but imperialism), but because something far better can take its place. What we need to see is a Council of Europe - with decisions taken by leaders of individual nation-states; not a centralised structure that blends all countries into one, with distant bureaucrats at the top, immune from national electorates.
fash wrote: » Euro sceptics in other countries no longer talk about leaving the EU - having seen how humiliated and diminished even large countries are by the process.
fash wrote: » Actually it was (and was intended by UK negotiators as) a trap for the EU - allowing UK companies free access to the EU for goods to the UK without full set of LPF provisions that otherwise would be required- and no way out for the EU- while the UK always had a way out (cut off NI). However May failed to sell it and the narrative was lost. The EU was relieved to see the back of it.
Deleted User wrote: » What we need to see is a Council of Europe
Deleted User wrote: » I for one welcome the terminal decline of the EU
woejus wrote: » If your comment was a a wikipedia edit it would be reverted due to so many weasel words. Who is this "we" you speak of, tovarisch? "I welcome my the roof of my house falling down, so I can build a new house in its place." You fix the roof, you fix the house you are living in.
Deleted User wrote: » What weasel words? "We" as in the peoples of Europe. My statement was that the Council of Europe should replace the EU, perhaps over a period of time, rather than dismantling the EU through some sort of violent revolution.
[Deleted User] wrote: » What weasel words? "We" as in the peoples of Europe. My statement was that the Council of Europe should replace the EU, perhaps over a period of time, rather than dismantling the EU through some sort of violent revolution.
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