smacl wrote: » Just my opinion, but those who are anti-theist and anti-fundamentalist tend to take that position because they've suffered some form of abuse at the hands of organised religion. This can be as simple as having an unwanted belief system and anachronistic notion of morality foisted upon them and their family, or something altogether more serious. You actually get a lot of codified hatred in organised religion. Notions such as homosexuality, heresy, blasphemy and apostasy being punishable crimes are good examples of this. Many religious traditions are also deeply misogynistic which rightly draw a strong negative reaction in modern civilised society. Where religion gets ridiculed today where it wouldn't have been in the past is probably a reaction to this. I think fundamentalists tend to be more a source of ridicule than hatred by and large, unless of course they're trying to push their own oft times hateful ideology on others.
A_Lost_Man wrote: » Hatred will produce more hatred. In this age of technology some people for time pass do such things. For their amusement. They were never be a victim of organised religion. Organised religions are vanishing by the passage of time with their outdated punishment and will die soon but what is keeping them alive is same hatred.
A_Lost_Man wrote: » Some atheists are anti-fundamentalists and anti-theists. They mind expressions of religion and get angry in the name of region and with this hate they become hater and feel enjoyment in hurting other people faiths and making fun of them. What is difference between such atheist and uneducated people.
nthclare wrote: » This used to happen here frequently, and the moderators allowed it and joined in on the foray. Winding people up then banning them or carding them. I think they knew what they were doing but when they all come at you from every direction you might as well give up. I'm not religious myself but I call a spade a spade.
smacl wrote: » Mod note: Comments relating to the moderation of this forum are off topic for this thread. Such issues are welcome on the feedback forum here, ideally with links to examples. Thanks for your attention
realdanbreen wrote: » Doesn't that mean then that anyone who is not an atheist is an agnostic? Nobody, even the pope or the head man in the muslim religion, knows for a fact that there is a god. They may believe there is or have a faith that there is but there is no way that they can know that there is surely.
realdanbreen wrote: » :mad: I thought my above post would get loads of thanks and comments as it's so wise and insightful! Clearly I'm casting pearls to swine!
nthclare wrote: » lol locals only... They only pat each other on the back and share validation
Quantum Erasure wrote: » someone take out that chart again, so we can have a go at debunking it, again... Agnostics, from my understanding, believe that it can't be known whether there is a god or not. Theists believe there is a god / gods. Atheists believe there isn't / don't believe there is a god
nthclare wrote: » But I suppose the best way to debate about whether there's a god or not is get to basics.The Atheists seem to go for the jugular and suggest that people believe in the Abrahamic God, sky fairy if you wish. They have an image of people believing in this bearded guy who's able to hear,see and feel your thoughts.. a bit like santas robin. I'm not Abrahamic myself, I'm pagan and it's a whole different ball game being a pagan. There's no spaciific belief system, we're more like agnostics than atheistical in our ways.
nthclare wrote: » But I suppose the best way to debate about whether there's a god or not is get to basics. The Atheists seem to go for the jugular and suggest that people believe in the Abrahamic God, sky fairy if you wish. They have an image of people believing in this bearded guy who's able to hear,see and feel your thoughts.. a bit like santas robin. I'm not Abrahamic myself, I'm pagan and it's a whole different ball game being a pagan. There's no spaciific belief system, we're more like agnostics than atheistical in our ways.
Bannasidhe wrote: » I think you'll find Atheists also don't believe Vishnu, Kali, The Dagda, The Morrigán, Thor, Odin, Apollo, Diane, Cernunnos, Zeus, Venus, Nanook, Torngasoak, Barnumbirr, Altjira, Wangmu Niangniang, Nüwa, etc etc exist.
nthclare wrote: » But I suppose the best way to debate about whether there's a god or not is get to basics. The Atheists seem to go for the jugular and suggest that people believe in the Abrahamic God, sky fairy if you wish.
Mark Hamill wrote: » What do you mean by the "basics"? Many of the discussions on this forum do hover around the Abrahamic God, but that's because it's an Irish forum and so most posters (both atheist and theist) experience with gods and religion is centered around the Abrahamic God. There have still been plenty of threads and discussions about the general idea of a god or gods though.
Kidchameleon wrote: » That things could travel faster than light (look up quantum entanglement) Anyway... I suppose the question depends on what your definition of "god" is. If its the version the religious texts speak about then yes, I know that does not exist. But "god" could be defined as a being who created the universe we live in. That is a "god" I dont think we can rule out. When you read enough material about AI, simulated worlds etc. you realize that someday a human could theoretically create a universe teeming with AI minds. To those AI minds, the human who created them and their world would fill many of the requirements to be defined as a god. Remember that the human being in that scenario would have godlike abilities at least as far as the AI minds would be concerned. A simple change of source code and that universes gravitational constant could be changed for example. Pulling the plug on the simulation and they all die etc. Are we living in a simulated iniverse and therefore have a creator of some sort? I dont know, probably not. But I cant rule it out. Will someone ever create a simulated universe with coscious inhabitants? Many great thinkers of today beleive it is likley.
magicbastarder wrote: » the one thing that atheists *do* believe is that the children are our future; teach them well and let them lead the way. show them all the beauty they possess inside.
smacl wrote: » Not sure you can say what atheists *do* believe in tbh. Cynically you could say that Catholics are also very invested in children being the future, though I daresay their vision of the future might differ from yours or mine.
nthclare wrote: » Well considering the past, I wonder what way we'd be now without religion ?
A_Lost_Man wrote: » What is way of morality among atheist and agnostic. I mean if an atheist's mind start miss firing neurons what is a way to convince him that you lost track. Like there are atheists who in the hate of religion go to much wild they forget what they are doing is actually wrong. They are infact hurting people but think they are doing good like hitler.
Kamu wrote: » Sorry, just as an aside, look at the articlehttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.space.com/amp/41968-quantum-entanglement-faster-than-light.html Quantum entanglement cannot actually communicate faster then light.
