Geuze wrote: » Muckyboots wrote: » Yes. I have been told that the GY to Athenry line was originally double-tracked. Is that true? If so, then adding a second track should not involve any/much land acquisition? Could two tracks and a greenway fit in? Given climate change, the requirement for huge modal change across Ireland, we need to increase IT pax from 48m to 100m+. The whole Galway line to Dublin was built double tracked but was largely singled by the end of the 1930s. Building a parallel greenway alongside a railway line has about as much appeal as building a greenway next to a road. Pointless as there is a plan to build an off road greenway to Galway already in place.
Muckyboots wrote: » Yes. I have been told that the GY to Athenry line was originally double-tracked. Is that true? If so, then adding a second track should not involve any/much land acquisition? Could two tracks and a greenway fit in? Given climate change, the requirement for huge modal change across Ireland, we need to increase IT pax from 48m to 100m+.
Muckyboots wrote: » Geuze wrote: » With an alongside greenway. This would greatly improve the argument for an extension on to Tuam (of both greenway and rail). The ripple effect is the most poweful force in nature. Yes. I have been told that the GY to Athenry line was originally double-tracked. Is that true? If so, then adding a second track should not involve any/much land acquisition? Could two tracks and a greenway fit in? Given climate change, the requirement for huge modal change across Ireland, we need to increase IE pax from 48m to 100m+.
Geuze wrote: » With an alongside greenway. This would greatly improve the argument for an extension on to Tuam (of both greenway and rail). The ripple effect is the most poweful force in nature.
Geuze wrote: » westtip wrote: » A fair point. Double tracking from GY to Athenry is necessary, yes. With an alongside greenway. This would greatly improve the argument for an extension on to Tuam (of both greenway and rail). The ripple effect is the most poweful force in nature.
westtip wrote: » A fair point. Double tracking from GY to Athenry is necessary, yes.
westtip wrote: » eastwest wrote: » It's a great pity the energy of the WOT campaign wasn't focussed on the bigger picture for rail travel on a small island. High speed electric connectivity to Dublin, more double tracking to allow for high speed non stop services point to point or at least with minimal stops. New modern rail alignments that allow high speed service. The focus on re-opening a winding rural one track line from Claremorris to Galway using C19th century infrastructure patched up is their ultimate weakness, Asking for not much and getting nothing. Big picture. They have never seen it. A fair point. Double tracking from GY to Athenry is necessary, yes.
eastwest wrote: » It's a great pity the energy of the WOT campaign wasn't focussed on the bigger picture for rail travel on a small island. High speed electric connectivity to Dublin, more double tracking to allow for high speed non stop services point to point or at least with minimal stops. New modern rail alignments that allow high speed service. The focus on re-opening a winding rural one track line from Claremorris to Galway using C19th century infrastructure patched up is their ultimate weakness, Asking for not much and getting nothing. Big picture. They have never seen it.
westtip wrote: » Might well be the case but anyone I know who has one loves being able to drive around for a fraction of costs borne by fossil fuel motorists.
magicbastarder wrote: » electric cars are still a colossal waste of electricity.
end of the road wrote: » exactly what? those are the claims you made, i am asking you where you heard them and where you got your information from.
end of the road wrote: » where are you getting all of this from. 1. that europe will only give funding to lines if it is planned to have them electrified from the start. 2. the politicians will only reopen a line north of athenry if it is electrified and they can use second hand stock, when they will have diesel stock coming free in the next number of years but no electric stock.
cdaly_ wrote: » Don't forget also that electric private cars are still emitting greenhouse gases, just not on the roadside. Instead the emissions are back at the generating station.
serfboard wrote: » Nothing like the same levels, and besides the world is switching massively to renewably-generated electricity, and not just for reasons of climate change - it's now cheaper too, plus it provides better energy security than oil or gas.
eastwest wrote: » Exactly.
eastwest wrote: » You touch on an issue here that is important. The WRC extension can effectively only be built if it attracts European funding, and this albeit unlikely scenario can only come to pass if the project is electrified. However the only way that a political decision to open a line north of Athenry can ever be made is if it can use some old rolling stock from replacements on busier lines, so in effect it can only happen in the context of full electrification nationally. So the railway campaigners seeking to have trains on this closed line should really start with a campaign to electrify the entire network.
eastwest wrote: » Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Ah here. Electrification costs a fortune, it's very much worth it on busy lines, but crazy on ones which are barely used. You touch on an issue here that is important. The WRC extension can effectively only be built if it attracts European funding, and this albeit unlikely scenario can only come to pass if the project is electrified. However the only way that a political decision to open a line north of Athenry can ever be made is if it can use some old rolling stock from replacements on busier lines, so in effect it can only happen in the context of full electrification nationally. So the railway campaigners seeking to have trains on this closed line should really start with a campaign to electrify the entire network. It's a great pity the energy of the WOT campaign wasn't focussed on the bigger picture for rail travel on a small island. High speed electric connectivity to Dublin, more double tracking to allow for high speed non stop services point to point or at least with minimal stops. New modern rail alignments that allow high speed service. The focus on re-opening a winding rural one track line from Claremorris to Galway using C19th century infrastructure patched up is their ultimate weakness, Asking for not much and getting nothing. Big picture. They have never seen it.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Ah here. Electrification costs a fortune, it's very much worth it on busy lines, but crazy on ones which are barely used. You touch on an issue here that is important. The WRC extension can effectively only be built if it attracts European funding, and this albeit unlikely scenario can only come to pass if the project is electrified. However the only way that a political decision to open a line north of Athenry can ever be made is if it can use some old rolling stock from replacements on busier lines, so in effect it can only happen in the context of full electrification nationally. So the railway campaigners seeking to have trains on this closed line should really start with a campaign to electrify the entire network.
L1011 wrote: » I actually tried this. One five year out of date result comes up, along with 9 completely unconnected articles. You are so badly informed about what you have latched on to as a conspiracy you don't even know how to direct people to the info on it. They're called "capacity payments", if that helps you find stuff.
Last Stop wrote: » You’d be better off buying them a Tesla each if you want to reduce greenhouse gases
ohographite wrote: » The batteries of electric cars have a negative environmental impact because of the mining of toxic materials necessary to make them, and that's why public transport is still necessary to make our travelling habits more sustainable, even when all private cars are electric.
Last Stop wrote: » The biggest cost is not the actual electrification but the rolling stock. How could you justify buying a fleet of brand new rolling stock for a single track railway for 39 people? You’d be better off buying them a Tesla each if you want to reduce greenhouse gases
ohographite wrote: » What exactly makes it crazy? I am aware electrification costs a fortune, but I still think it's worth it for all of Ireland's rail network, because it would reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Last Stop wrote: » Where has the WRC been threatened with closure? If people are giving out its because of the massive capital cost of reopening the line which has extremely low passenger numbers. When you consider the passengers numbers that the reopening of the Navan line for example would have achieved, people are right to be complaining
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Ah here. Electrification costs a fortune, it's very much worth it on busy lines, but crazy on ones which are barely used. .
Last Stop wrote: » When you consider the passengers numbers that the reopening of the Navan line for example would have achieved, people are right to be complaining
ohographite wrote: » However, I am in support of electrifying this railway, which, while expensive, would make environmental sense as an alternative to keeping diesel trains running on it.
Ubbquittious wrote: » This thread still filled with people hatin' the WRC? just like 10 years ago.
ohographite wrote: » I'm not denying it was off to a bad start, but it's been doing better in more recent years. Currently it is doing all right patronage-wise compared to Ennis-Limerick, or Manulla-Ballina, neither of which have really been threatened with closure.
Last Stop wrote: » You could hardly class it as a roaring success in those 10 years could you?
donvito99 wrote: » Wouldn't a Galway commuter service using the stock presently wasted running North of Ennis have a far greater environmental impact?
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