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ELM327

System Upgrade

Dear EV Drivers,

To enable us to provide you with some enhanced functionality and a new app, we will be performing a system upgrade this coming Wednesday morning, October 2nd,

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adunis

You know you can just stick a shortcut on your screen to your account homepage whilst wAiting for the updated app right ?.........

McGiver

159conor wrote:

There is also a provision for discharging. Esb might have plans for V2G Code: case "PREPARING": case "FINISHING": case "AVAILABLE": case "OCCUPIED": case "CHARGING": case "DISCHARGING": case "PAUSED": case "FAULTED": case "UNAVAILABLE": case "UNKNOWN": case "IN_MAINTENANCE": case "RESERVED": case "THIRDPARTY":

That's quite cool but can't imagine how would that work...

159conor

There is also a provision for discharging. Esb might have plans for V2G

case "PREPARING":
case "FINISHING":
case "AVAILABLE":
case "OCCUPIED":
case "CHARGING":
case "DISCHARGING":
case "PAUSED":
case "FAULTED":
case "UNAVAILABLE":
case "UNKNOWN":
case "IN_MAINTENANCE":
case "RESERVED":
case "THIRDPARTY":

Black_Knight

159conor wrote: »

Inspect element and searched arround a bit. Also the little lightning bolts refer to the charging mode not very clear and confusing.

Doing a bit of that myself. They have provisions for a "no show fee" also.

widget.evMap.reservation.noShowFee": "No show fee: {0}.

Also a billing price plan for minutes:

billingPlanPricing.minutePrice
"widget.evMap.reservation.priceForMinutes": "{0} minutes for {1}."

McGiver

159conor wrote:

Inspect element and searched arround a bit. Also the little lightning bolts refer to the charging mode not very clear and confusing.

Looks like JavaScript...

159conor

McGiver wrote: »

Cool. Did you pull it from the API?

Inspect element and searched arround a bit. Also the little lightning bolts refer to the charging mode not very clear and confusing.

McGiver

159conor wrote:

They have a few rules for resovations. defaultMinuteReservationTimeRange", 30 MinimumLeadTimeBeforeReserveAllowed", 15 maxMinutesAllowedForReservationOnFastSockets", 40 maxMinutesAllowedForReservationOnStandardSockets", 60

Cool. Did you pull it from the API?

ELM327

Reservation is possibly the stupidest idea I ever heard.

159conor

DrPhilG wrote: »

I think it's an awful idea personally.

So I have a charger reserved for 3pm.

You turn up at 2:50 and what happens? Does it not let you start, or are you restricted to 10 minutes and then it kicks you off? Guaranteed to be heated arguments at chargers in that case.

And what if I'm 10 minutes late? You're sat there for 20 minutes locked out or restricted while I stroll up late?

Completely unnecessary. First come first served, overstay fee to prevent pi$$ taking.

They have a few rules for resovations.
defaultMinuteReservationTimeRange", 30
MinimumLeadTimeBeforeReserveAllowed", 15
maxMinutesAllowedForReservationOnFastSockets", 40
maxMinutesAllowedForReservationOnStandardSockets", 60

It also looks like reservations cost money both to create and there is a now show fee

ELM327

Anyway you don't need the app necessarily right now.
Link your old card to your account as an RFID and now you can swipe that instead of faffing about with an app.
Contactless PAYG would be better still but I'm happy with this as a solution.
Although for me it will go, in order of priority

Ionity
Tesla Superchargers
Easygo
Then esb, so I don't foresee myself using them very much anyway.

Black_Knight

Mickeroo wrote: »

Don't think the updated app is out yet.

Pushing new versions of apps can take time. Apple in particular can be difficult, so while the app might have planned to be ready by now, and is ready, Apple or Google could be slowing down the rollout. Just my theory anyways

Mickeroo

McGiver wrote: »

Sorry folks, but where can I get the app? The online version is talking about switching to the app and has app notification settings, but there's no app anywhere!

Don't think the updated app is out yet.

McGiver

Sorry folks, but where can I get the app? The online version is talking about switching to the app and has app notification settings, but there's no app anywhere!

Kramer

Pesky Leaf Mk1 hogging a 150kW charger already

adunis

Excellent,lots of little incentives to encourage charge n f@#£ off then,brilliant.

DrPhilG

Interesting snippets from the terms and conditions.

You are not allowed to end a charge and restart within 5 minutes, this is classed as abusing the network to extend beyond the 45 minute limit. Should be not allowed to restart within 30 IMO.

Also says that if you stay more than 10 minutes after charging has finished you may incur a fee, no figure given though.

Black_Knight

innrain wrote: »

Here is the new layout for the chargers map

https://myaccount.esbecars.com/findCharger?

When you click on a charger it shows you a bar chart of peak charging times. Interesting

But no unit of measurement. Each bar represents an hour I guess, but does a full bar mean it's typically in constant use during this hour, or is that full bar relative to the other bar around it (ie. a full bar just means this is the busiest time, regardless of how busy busy actually means)? Be nice to see something like for 4-5pm, it's average time in use is 45 minutes vs average of 5 minutes between 2-3am.

Silent Running

kennethsmyth wrote: »

The ecar connect app is still the old one with only a map - no user / payment setup. So presently there is only one pay as you go options. Again why not just a straight bank card payment?

Well, technically there are none... without the app. This is ecars we're talking about. It'll probably be a while before all the ducks get lined up.

kennethsmyth

Silent Running wrote: »

There are two PAYG options. Prepay and Pay per charge through the app. I presume you attach a payment method to the app, like credit or debit card.

The ecar connect app is still the old one with only a map - no user / payment setup. So presently there is only one pay as you go options. Again why not just a straight bank card payment?

Silent Running

There are two PAYG options. Prepay and Pay per charge through the app. I presume you attach a payment method to the app, like credit or debit card.

kennethsmyth

adunis wrote: »

Well now,registration was utterly painless,20euro up front balance required for PAYG,auto top up at 5euro no monthly fee,sounds just like my tolltag .......

Why cant pay as you go just use a normal bank card, in UK they are making this law. I shouldnt have to have a topup card.

adunis

Well now,registration was utterly painless,20euro up front balance required for PAYG,auto top up at 5euro no monthly fee,sounds just like my tolltag .......

BobbyBingo

DrPhilG wrote: »

How many digits is the number from your current card supposed to be?

Mine has 8 digits starting 793

KCross

We dont reserve petrol pumps, no need to reserve FCP's either.... just put in enough of them!

DrPhilG

charlieIRL wrote: »

I also see on the legend a “Reserved” symbol. Imagine staring off on your trip and having a FCP booked so you know it will be free when you got to it and not have to que? Brilliant idea.

I think it's an awful idea personally.

So I have a charger reserved for 3pm.

You turn up at 2:50 and what happens? Does it not let you start, or are you restricted to 10 minutes and then it kicks you off? Guaranteed to be heated arguments at chargers in that case.

And what if I'm 10 minutes late? You're sat there for 20 minutes locked out or restricted while I stroll up late?

Completely unnecessary. First come first served, overstay fee to prevent pi$$ taking.

Sabre Man

charlieIRL wrote: »

I also see on the legend a “Reserved” symbol. Imagine staring off on your trip and having a FCP booked so you know it will be free when you got to it and not have to que? Brilliant idea.

What happens if you're stuck in traffic and get there 5, 10 or 30 minutes late, or worse? Can someone else use the charger in that case?

DrPhilG

Villain wrote: »

I have an old ecars charging card but it doesn't have a number on it? Any got any ideas?

I was thinking the same.

How many digits is the number from your current card supposed to be?

I think part of mine is worn off and it won't let me register.

Mickeroo

charlieIRL wrote: »

I also see on the legend a “Reserved” symbol. Imagine staring off on your trip and having a FCP booked so you know it will be free when you got to it and not have to que? Brilliant idea.

You can already do that in the Easygo 50kw chargers as far as I know.

charlieIRL

I also see on the legend a “Reserved” symbol. Imagine staring off on your trip and having a FCP booked so you know it will be free when you got to it and not have to que? Brilliant idea.

charlieIRL

innrain wrote: »

Yes. You can see when the session started which is a big plus for FCPs

There’s something charging in Tullamore was since 9:51am this morning. Another one is in use since 11am.
The sooner the overstay fee comes in for slower chargers the better.