Alf Veedersane wrote: » That said, players respecting the ref in sport would be welcome but it has to come from the bottom up and be reinforced by parents and coaches. It wont ever change if they just try and use a stick at the highest level.
bobbyss wrote: » In general the attitude to decisions of the rugby players to referee decisions is mature and accepting. The footballers could learn a thing or two from them. We still remember Roy Keane going after referees and shouting in their faces. Feigning injuries. Even football managers after a game harrassing the referee is not a rugby thing. In fact rugby coaches are not on the side line. They are elsewhere letting their players work things our for themselves. What explains this deep chasm in these professional sports?
salmocab wrote: » Why wouldn’t it work at the highest level? Abuse the ref get a card, couple of weeks of that a rash of sendings off and once the players and importantly the management realise it’s happening they would soften their coughs very quickly. Peoples exposure to football is mainly from the tv so the kids and parents think it’s acceptable behaviour.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » I don't think addressing it at the highest level alone would change it. The attitudes are created and fostered from an early age...parents and coaches shouting abuse on sidelines. That needs to be addressed before any real change would happen.
salmocab wrote: » It certainly needs addressing at grass roots but it needs to come from the top down.
Alf Veedersane wrote: The abuse of the HIA is a joke. Players being cleared by doctors being told to clear them to play on.
bobbyss wrote: » Its a joke indeed. Daniel James the Welsh football winger simulated a concussion to buy time. His manager Giggs said he showed nous to run the clock down. I dont know what the medics or his family were thinking when he was laid out 'unconscious'.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » The top down will change nothing where the attitudes are formed. How the roots are addresses determines how the grass grows.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » Yeah...that's worse than any or the genuinely confused rugby players sent back out play. As for simulation...'blood-gate'.
OldRio wrote: » What year was blood gate? What sanctions were imposed on the perpetrators?
Alf Veedersane wrote: As for simulation...'blood-gate'.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » The abuse of the HIA is a joke. Players being cleared by doctors being told to clear them to play on.
salmocab wrote: » I disagree from the top down would show the sport is serious in fixing a problem whereas from the bottom up shows it wants things to change in the future but doesn’t want to tackle the power of the players and clubs. Even silly things like John terry fixing his socks when he’s called over by the ref and not looking at the ref shows children that refs aren’t to be respected. Kids mimic what they see.
Bob Harris wrote: » Stuart Pearce was being treated on the pitch for concussion. The physio shouts over to Brian Clough and says 'he doesn't know who he is boss'. Clough shouts back 'tell him he's Pele and that he's playing up front for the last 10 minutes'.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » 2009. 9 years after the example of Roy Keane going after the referee, which was used in the OP. Harlequins didn't get sanctioned, as far as I recall. Some of their staff were thrown under the bus though. .
Alf Veedersane wrote: » The abuse of the HIA is a joke. Players being cleared by doctors being told to clear them to play on. But it's ok because they respect the players respect the ref. That said, players respecting the ref in sport would be welcome but it has to come from the bottom up and be reinforced by parents and coaches. It wont ever change if they just try and use a stick at the highest level.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Rugby players are Biggest cheats around. Drugs is rife in the Sport and the Organisation and Fans generally brush it off and shout down at others who call it out. It's a Great Sport when played with the openness of the 70s, 80s and 90s though. But since 2007 WC it's become all about the big man over the skillful one. Cheating in Football is always brought to centre of attention and the Abuse Refs gets is disgusting at times, but it's not like its every day thing.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » kids copy what they see their favourite players do on TV. Change behaviour there and it's far easier to change it at lowest levels. How would you alter attitudes at lower levels in hope it would then follow on to higher levels?
OldRio wrote: » Harlequins were indeed sanctioned. As for the poster mentioning this one example so many years ago when simulation happens nearly every game in Soccer says a lot about the poster.
bobbyss wrote: » On a regular basis i don't see rugby players argue and sometimes in groups approach the referee . But you see this in football quite a lot. Even the manager encroaching on the field after the game to argued with ref. This is rare in rugby.
ben.schlomo wrote: And?
ben.schlomo wrote: Quite the turn for you, couple of years back you were claiming to be a Galway Utd fan. Jumped on the Connacht bandwagon since no doubt.
Joker2019 wrote: Because head injuries are fairly rare in football and hence rightly or wrongly there is not a whole lot of awareness of them within the game whereas in rugby it's fairly commonplace. Far more nasty injuries in rugby in general.
bobbyss wrote: » 'Claiming ' to be a Galway United fan? 'Jumped' on Connacht bandwagon? What's your point benny?
Mad_maxx wrote: » The smugness surrounding the alleged superior respect culture towards the referee is perhaps the worst aspect of rugby people
