liamtech wrote: » Corbyn is banking on BoJo's support slipping the longer he is held powerless in Number 10 - ok its a tactic - is it country First or party first??? And refusing a GE, because Labor is low in the polls.. is that country or party first???
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » It strikes me that now that Johnson has confirmed if the election goes through this evening parliament will reconvene before Christmas - it means Labour don't have a leg to stand on in objecting to it. It means no deal is off the table. If Labour don't vote for an election today they will look like they were scared to face the electorate and will hand all the initiative to the Lib Dems.
briany wrote: » It's a tactic, but is it even a sound one? It seems to be based on the assumption that as Conservative support falls, Labour support either goes up, or at least remains relatively stable. In actuality, I think the public would grow p*ssed off with both parties, and while Labour may not make out too badly, they run the risk of something much more terrible, which is total public disillusionment with politics and the extreme elements who feed on that coming in and feasting.
schmittel wrote: » The longer BoJo held is powerless in parliament because Corbyn refuses a GE the more damaging it is to Corbyn and Labour. Johnson might be a buffoon but having a government that cannot legislate even on how to cut the grass is a disaster for the country at the best of times, never mind the situation the UK is in now. I think the middle ground in the electorate will see that and blame Labour.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » When you're in a fight, what matters is not how good you are but how good your opponent is. Johnson looks across the floor of the house and thanks his lucky stars.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Well, as i read it above, johnson "recommends" parliament convenes before xmas , hardly "confirms" it. Not exactly a die in a ditch come what may promise is it? Though given his horrendous record with those, that might actually make it all the more convincing.
In line with the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, the date of parliament’s return will be set by royal proclamation following dissolution, and I will recommend to the Queen that the first meeting of the new parliament takes place before 23 December.
briany wrote: » I saw Jess Phillips the other day saying about who wants a general election in December? Going around, knocking on doors in the dark etc. They're meant to be held in April and May, not the dark winter months, she said. I take the point that the depths of winter is not the nicest time to go canvassing, but these are trying times in British politics.
Strazdas wrote: » Tom Newton Dunn thinks Labour might vote for a GE tomorrow. An election in December is beginning to look highly likely:https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1188822382829592576
briany wrote: » Pretty snookered is right, and they played themselves into that position.
Strazdas wrote: » Their internal divisions seem huge (suggesting Corbyn is an extremely divisive figure). They can barely agree a position on anything.
Tea Shock wrote: » The trouble is, Keir Starmer or whoever mightn't have much power in opposition.
Tea Shock wrote: » At least there's one good thing about an election, unless he becomes PM, surely Corbyn will be sacked off as leader of the party The trouble is, Keir Starmer or whoever mightn't have much power in opposition.
schmittel wrote: » Yep, and surely one of the main reasons Johnson is so desperate for an election now, is to get one before they finally get rid of Corbyn. Fighting Starmer leading a Labour party with a coherent Brexit policy would scare the bejaysus out of BJ. Though one of the problems with the Labour party (and all political parties to some extent) is even if they get rid of the current leader there is a good chance they will pass up on the opportunity to pick the best leader - Starmer - due to petty jealousies and infighting.
Eric Cartman wrote: » id say he just wants to get the DUP out of the way and replace them with the brexit party or almost anyone else who'll actually allow a deal go through. Its also a safe bet with corbyn at the helm, labour completely unelectable.
gooch2k9 wrote: » He'd only get them if he committed to a no deal exit, which I'm not sure he really wants to. That's if the BXP even get any seats. This FPTP nonsense makes the general polls a poor indicator of how many seats a party will get. I far prefer the ones that do the actual calculation of seats.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The Tories will have a simple message - "we have a deal, vote for us and we leave the EU". Not sure the Brexit party's message of "scrap that and leave with no deal" will gain serious traction against that argument with voters. I expect the Tories to get a comfortable majority of seats which will enable the deal to be quickly ratified. Labour are unelectable. It's a home run for the tories.
briany wrote: » There must be some pollsters out there doing a voting intention by constituency type thing and tabulating projected seats from that?And it's strange because the SNP and LD are against a Brexit of any type and yet they're poised to back a Dec 9th election which could well give the Cons a functional majority to deliver Brexit on. How are those parties explaining that to themselves and their voters?
liamtech wrote: » I dont see that either party will have to explain anything - they are set to gain seats - and they cant really avoid an election - for 2 months they have said 'Take no deal off the table - get an extension - and we will have an election' Well.. done and done
briany wrote: » The Lib Dems have styled themselves as a party that are anti-Brexit. If they're set to gain seats just because they're the only palatable alternative to Labour in certain constituencies, then yes, I guess they will gain seats. If they're set to gain seats because of their unabashedly Brexit stance then they're going to have a tough time standing on doorsteps explaining why it's a good idea to have an election when an election may actually help Brexit to happen, thereby ending LD's promise of being against Brexit, or at least having a second referendum.
Tell me how wrote: » What are the bookies saying on the GE at this point? I am in the US and Paddy Power is Geo-blocked.
