PTH2009 wrote: » The support of other sports in the area like Soccer but that's only a quick guess
thesaturdayman wrote: » Do not agree tbh. Same in every county bar Kilkenny. Cork have it limerick have rugby. It is the malaise and apathy towards the board & boards with specific reference to the people running them for last 20 years[/quote, If the appetite was there these people wouldn't be on the boards for the last 20 years. Are you actively seeking to be on these boards? Is there anyone actively seeking to change the people on the boards? If there is them people would be gone. I see in my own club the lads doing the majority of the work are in 70s . People give out about them as well calling them dinosaurs etc but if they don't do it noone else will bother. More than 3/4 of modern Waterford gaa fans are band wagon jumpers with no interest in working behind the scenes at county or club level. Let's be honest about. Easy talking about changes much harder when you realise you have to commit time to meetings etc.
debok wrote: » thesaturdayman wrote: » Do not agree tbh. Same in every county bar Kilkenny. Cork have it limerick have rugby. It is the malaise and apathy towards the board & boards with specific reference to the people running them for last 20 years[/quote, If the appetite was there these people wouldn't be on the boards for the last 20 years. Are you actively seeking to be on these boards? Is there anyone actively seeking to change the people on the boards? If there is them people would be gone. I see in my own club the lads doing the majority of the work are in 70s . People give out about them as well calling them dinosaurs etc but if they don't do it noone else will bother. More than 3/4 of modern Waterford gaa fans are band wagon jumpers with no interest in working behind the scenes at county or club level. Let's be honest about. Easy talking about changes much harder when you realise you have to commit time to meetings etc. Once bitten twice shy. And it’s not as simple as go put your hand up, they - the incumbents - have all the voting sorted, it’s musical chairs every time a job comes up. The chairman becomes central council rep, Munster council rep becomes development officer. Waste of time. It doesn’t need a service or an oil change, it needs a complete overhaul. Prime time was good tonight.....!
debok wrote: » If the appetite was there these people wouldn't be on the boards for the last 20 years. Are you actively seeking to be on these boards? Is there anyone actively seeking to change the people on the boards? If there is them people would be gone. I see in my own club the lads doing the majority of the work are in 70s . People give out about them as well calling them dinosaurs etc but if they don't do it noone else will bother. More than 3/4 of modern Waterford gaa fans are band wagon jumpers with no interest in working behind the scenes at county or club level. Let's be honest about. Easy talking about changes much harder when you realise you have to commit time to meetings etc.
PTH2009 wrote: » St Saviour's are back in the senior football ranks after beating Modeligo 0-8-0-7 in the county Intermediate football final today
EYEBALLSOUT wrote: » Ballygunner have now won every age group from u12-17, all in A grade. The conveyor belt just keeps on churning them out down there. Fair play to them but others need to close the gap. Was at the u16 game today- v entertaining, v close. Ref did his best to ruin the game! The standard of refereeing was poor. There was something like 25 frees in the 2nd half alone with Abbeyside getting 19 frees and Bg 6!! The supporters were not back from the field as in there was no railing and each team had to provide an umpire and linesman- for a co final, this is poor show from Bord na nÓg. If it was a heated affair, god only knows what might have happened!
Mastermcgrath wrote: » Why was Dungarvan CG chosen as a venue and who makes these decisions? Plenty of good neutral venues in the rural clubs around the county that are better equipped to host big games, I can think of places off my head like Kilmacthomas, lemybrien, stradbally, Portlaw, Kill that have railings to protect players
Stacksofwacks wrote: » They wont be in the senior ranks for very long given that display, Modeligo should probably have won it, was an awful match by 2 poor teams
Obi1mikal wrote: » That is an unbelievable achievement. As a club they are looking like they are getting stronger fair play to them and it is up to the rest to go and challenge them. What I find amazing is that for all of there success they dont produce any really top class county players. They have won 6 in a row senior and realistically Waterford senior team could line out without one player from ballygunner and not be weakened.
Mastermcgrath wrote: » 2 Mahonys’s? Sok?
Waternut wrote: » Fine hurlers and I'm not trying to have a dig, but do you reckon either of the Mahonys would get on the Tipperary starting team?
EYEBALLSOUT wrote: » Sok would make the Tipp goal, no doubt about that
mountgomery burns wrote: » I'd fancy Philip Mahony has done enough to think he could start ahead of one of Barry Heffernan, Seamus Kennedy or James Barry (started earlier in the year). Tipps half forward is often their weakest line so while maybe not an automatic starter, Paudie Mahony certainly be in the conversation. He would thrive on the type of game they play, he's all about picking up space and brilliant with ball in had. I get the posters point though, it's not like the Mount Sion team that included Ken McGrath, Tony Browne and Eoin Kelly. But they've probably north of 20 lads good enough to play Senior club hurling and that's where their strength is.
Deise Gael wrote: » SOK is the only one of the three that would make the Tipp team.
conor05 wrote: » Looking at Ballyhale Shamrocks on tv yesteday their forward play looks on a different planet to any senior club team we have in Waterford. And they would have a quarter of the pick if even of Ballygunnar. How is that so?
mountgomery burns wrote: » You from Waterford? To be honest, I didn't see it that way last year. They got a disappointing goal to give away, while at the other end the ball stuck in the mud for Hogan's great goal chance. Be interesting if they met again. Population has never been the be all and end all when it comes to club hurling.
EYEBALLSOUT wrote: » I agree with the original poster, Ballyhale have 6 natural scoring forwards. Bg scored 3pts from play in an hour of hurling v Ballyhale scored 1-10 from play & that was with Tj & Colin Fennelly held scoreless. The ball stuck in the mud was hit by Brian o Sullivan & was going across the goal so it would have needed another player to hit it if it was to reach the net. Bg had a good start but their forwards play v deep and when ballyhale forced sok to puck it long the weakness of this Bg team was exploited ruthlessly- inability to win ball in the air at half forward & midfield. This sounds negative but its what went down and unfortunately in club championship here in Waterford we don’t have any club team able to ask those questions of Bg. Sixmilebridge game will be tight up there plus I think there could be a niggle in it from their last challenge game where a Sixmilebridge lad got sent off (justifiably so i heard) but the ref reported it and they lost the championship last yr over it.
thesaturdayman wrote: » The following is meant to be an objective post & not derogatory or condescending towards any of the clubs mentioned or named below. I am not certain also, but i am going to assume there are 50 adult clubs in Waterford its possibly less. For round figures 50 works well. I have heard from a couple of reliable sources that Dunhill and Bonmahon are at very advanced talks to merge next year at adult level. This is now and should be a massive cause for concern not alone this specifically but events over the passed few years that have been allowed (and often through necessity) develop. So lets assume the merger goes ahead, below is what the state of the nation will be in Waterford for 2020; Fenor + Dunhill merged underage playing as Na Gaeil Fenor + Dunhill + Butlerstown playing at minor & U19 as Clann na Gaeil Kill + Bonmahon + Newtown/Ballydurn + Kilmacthomas + John Mitchells playing together as St Marys underage & up to u19 Kill + Fenor playing together at adult level - Kill in Football, Fenor in Hurling Bonmahon + Dunhill playing together at adult level - Bonmahon in football, Dunhill in hurling Ballyduff lower + Portlaw playing together from minor to u19 Ballyduff lower a standalone dual club Portlaw a standalone dual club What other county on this planet would think all this carry on is acceptable!? I doubt even the clubs themselves are happy with it!! I understand that numbers are an issue. Surely be to god a 12 a side standalone teams where possible is a better solution and then go for group teams from minor up as well as lower grade 12 a side teams? u17 players not being allowed play adult has a huge impact on these clubs, but where are the proposals and solutions from our famous board? Butlerstown previously were merged with Ballyduff and were set to merge with Dunhiil 12 or so months and it collapsed at the 11th hour. I understand rural depopulation is a massive issue, but in the name of god lets put this in context, I have named 8 clubs specifically, 10 in all that is 10/50 20% of the playing population of Waterford GAA here! This is a major major train crash waiting to happen. Where are all the families that won so much with these famous clubs gone to? Left the GAA? is there such an apathy at underage level with Kids that they dont want to play anymore! To contrast the above a quick look at the local schoolboy soccer, Ballyduff, Portlaw, Crusaders, Seaview Celtic, Tramore Rgrs, Kilmacthomas all field teams, so i dont accept the argument of no young lads around the place. There are national schools also in every one of these villages and surrounding areas. There evidently is lads and are choosing soccer or whatever ahead of GAA. Also where is the "mid county GDA" should they not be steering this and trying to put in place sustainable structures hand in hand with a county board task force? John O Leary, Tommy Hennessy, Sean Michael O Regan are all from a lot of these impacted clubs - do they not see the wood from the trees? These are clubs with huge history, huge potential and for the most part very good facilities who have all at different stages provided players to the county - i cant help but feel Michael Harney is one could have fallen through the crack at adult level in recent times However i have to say, being objective - the above inter club relationships at underage and then adult level are to say the least, weird and surely do not work?! Or least wont work beyond their honeymoon period? Iv no idea what the situation is down the West, but i do know the u19 B football final had something like 13 clubs represented in it. So im surmising it cant be any better! And im not here to throw stones at the clubs, they are doing what they think is right, how future proof is it? I am dubious. What are the board or GDAs doing? nothing that i can see. Be keen to hear thoughts and solutions!
