President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Overheal wrote: »

The term was used a lot in the past to my recollection. That doesn’t mean it should be acceptable in 2019 or from the POTUS.

Oh, at what point did the term become unacceptable, evil, racist etc?

Seems all the major Dems only had a revelation (and subsequent memory wipe of their own usage of it) in Oct, 2019. A real conversion on the road to Damascus moment for them. Funny that. Others might say they're hysterical and are just playing to their own base, in order to frame the President as racist.

Back to impeachment tho

Look just cause you post here enough for it to be your own personal blog, you don't get to tell the rest of us what to chat about and what direction to take.

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

No way. Politicians doing stuff to aim to their base? Bloody hell, what next? :pac:

I mean you'd never catch the Dems doing that... Oh wait, just this week you had the whole farce of them stoking up racist fears by crying about the President using the term "lynching" and how evil, racist etc it was... Only to have compilation videos of all the top Dems using that in regards to politics/impeachments in the past :pac:

The term was used a lot in the past to my recollection. That doesn’t mean it should be acceptable in 2019 or from the POTUS. We’ve long since pieced together more of our lynching history even culminating in the National Memorial for Peace and Justice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/us/lynching-memorial-alabama.html

To be fair, the launch of this center has done its job, greatly raising awareness of the lynching history of the southern United States - yes, the same southern United States that was staunchly Democrat before the Southern Strategy.

The National Memorial for Peace and Justice, which opens Thursday on a six-acre site overlooking the Alabama State Capitol, is dedicated to the victims of American white supremacy. And it demands a reckoning with one of the nation’s least recognized atrocities: the lynching of thousands of black people in a decades-long campaign of racist terror.

At the center is a grim cloister, a walkway with 800 weathered steel columns, all hanging from a roof. Etched on each column is the name of an American county and the people who were lynched there, most listed by name, many simply as “unknown.” The columns meet you first at eye level, like the headstones that lynching victims were rarely given. But as you walk, the floor steadily descends; by the end, the columns are all dangling above, leaving you in the position of the callous spectators in old photographs of public lynchings.

The magnitude of the killing is harrowing, all the more so when paired with the circumstances of individual lynchings, some described in brief summaries along the walk: Parks Banks, lynched in Mississippi in 1922 for carrying a photograph of a white woman; Caleb Gadly, hanged in Kentucky in 1894 for “walking behind the wife of his white employer”; Mary Turner, who after denouncing her husband’s lynching by a rampaging white mob, was hung upside down, burned and then sliced open so that her unborn child fell to the ground.

. Mr. Stevenson and a small group of lawyers spent years immersing themselves in archives and county libraries to document the thousands of racial terror lynchings across the South. They have cataloged nearly 4,400 in total

Back to impeachment tho

mcmoustache wrote: »

There's a bit of a difference though. Sure, the Dems were playing up the outrage but that's fairly standard stuff.

What the Republicans are doing is just making up stuff that they know to be completely untrue. While it's fair to say that both parties appeal to their respective bases, it's interesting that one party just makes stuff up knowing that the base will just believe it.

Ah here! You seriously can't believe that, can you?

mcmoustache

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

No way. Politicians doing stuff to aim to their base? Bloody hell, what next? :pac:

I mean you'd never catch the Dems doing that... Oh wait, just this week you had the whole farce of them stoking up racist fears by crying about the President using the term "lynching" and how evil, racist etc it was... Only to have compilation videos of all the top Dems using that in regards to politics/impeachments in the past :pac:

There's a bit of a difference though. Sure, the Dems were playing up the outrage but that's fairly standard stuff.

What the Republicans are doing is just making up stuff that they know to be completely untrue. While it's fair to say that both parties appeal to their respective bases, it's interesting that one party just makes stuff up knowing that the base will just believe it.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So it's cancelled out? Grand so. Ethics and morals, huh?

You seem to reading things that aren't there. Are you using an up to date browser?

James Brown

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

No way. Politicians doing stuff to aim to their base? Bloody hell, what next? :pac:

I mean you'd never catch the Dems doing that... Oh wait, just this week you had the whole farce of them stoking up racist fears by crying about the President using the term "lynching" and how evil, racist etc it was... Only to have compilation videos of all the top Dems using that in regards to politics/impeachments in the past :pac:

So it's cancelled out? Grand so. Ethics and morals, huh?

mcmoustache wrote: »

This is just them talking to Trump's base. They know that these hearings are par for the course but Trump's base will believe anything they say.

No way. Politicians doing stuff to aim to their base? Bloody hell, what next? :pac:

I mean you'd never catch the Dems doing that... Oh wait, just this week you had the whole farce of them stoking up racist fears by crying about the President using the term "lynching" and how evil, racist etc it was... Only to have compilation videos of all the top Dems using that in regards to politics/impeachments in the past :pac:

mcmoustache

Overheal wrote: »

Judge Nap fact-checked the Fox couch this morning to clarify that all the rules that Democrats are using now, are consistent with House rules signed by then majority leader John Boehner.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/napolitano-fact-checks-gop-complaints-about-secret-impeachment-process-schiff-is-following-the-rules/

He also peppered that tough breaks with pointing out that yes, this is exactly how investigators work.

Everyone in Congress already knows that. Especially the Republicans who voted in these rules. They know exactly how these investigations work because they either ran these investigations or were aware that these investigations were ongoing.

This is just them talking to Trump's base. They know that these hearings are par for the course but Trump's base will believe anything they say.

Judge Nap fact-checked the Fox couch this morning to clarify that all the rules that Democrats are using now, are consistent with House rules signed by then majority leader John Boehner.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/napolitano-fact-checks-gop-complaints-about-secret-impeachment-process-schiff-is-following-the-rules/

He also peppered that tough breaks with pointing out that yes, this is exactly how investigators work.

Boggles

Overheal wrote: »

So it’s being reported that at least some of the Gaetz Squad literally asked to be arrested while violating federal law in the SCIF

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Seems the attempt at martyrdom absolutely backfired. Would still like to see them censured.

Absolute Cretins.

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Overheal wrote: »

So it’s being reported that at least some of the Gaetz Squad literally asked to be arrested while violating federal law in the SCIF

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Seems the attempt at martyrdom absolutely backfired. Would still like to see them censured.

Nah. The backfiring Theatrical nature of their stunt will do for me.

SJW Lover

mcmoustache wrote: »

Mark Levin is one of those people who makes his viewers dumber*.

Does he rip out their vocal cords? Sounds painful.

James Brown

Overheal wrote: »

So it’s being reported that at least some of the Gaetz Squad literally asked to be arrested while violating federal law in the SCIF

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Seems the attempt at martyrdom absolutely backfired. Would still like to see them censured.

Take a leaf from Trump's book; right wing extremists who hate America and its democratic process?

https://twitter.com/chadpergram/status/1187173332682182656?s=21

So it’s being reported that at least some of the Gaetz Squad literally asked to be arrested while violating federal law in the SCIF

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Seems the attempt at martyrdom absolutely backfired. Would still like to see them censured.

mcmoustache

Mark Levin is one of those people who makes his viewers dumber*. Could you summarise his points so I don't need to watch it?

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EDIT: added image. It's from 2012 but things haven't really improved on FOX.

Overheal wrote: »

[insert inconvenient clips of Republicans taking stances back then they pretend don't exist now]

Overheal, that in no way shape or form rebuts my point nor does it contradict the position republicans are taking today and had you watched the Levin clip (or took on board what he said if indeed you did watch it) you would know that.

Republicans refusing to adhere to something amidst this sham today, in no way compares to democrats refusing to adhere in '98 given how fairly they were treated and how involved they were in the process back then. What's happening with this impeachment is on another level entirely.

Now there has been a public call to arms for rightwing extremists to hunt down anyone responsible for Trump’s Impeachment.

This is Terrorism.

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/far-right-tv-host-rick-wiles-if-trump-is-removed-his-supporters-will-hunt-down-democrats/

KWAG2019

It’s incredible that Trump continues to be defended. The only rational explanation is that there is a GOP project to reshape US democracy into a religious fundamentalist, gerrymandered, white supremacist state. Trump is useful for the judges he is putting in place and the assault on truth and reason. Ireland needs to know who these people are funding and who they are influencing here.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

As pointed out, the democrats are not letting republicans read the transcripts.

This is breaking news to me. According to whom?

This is not just any inquiry, this is an impeachment inquiry into the President of the United States, who the people voted for. It's disgraceful that the republican party are being treated in this manner.

What manner? They are involved on these committees. They also have investigatory power in the Senate - where they can also hold closed door meetings, on Republican chaired committees. They're very blatantly choosing not to do that though, because it would throw a colossal wrench into their "kangaroo court sham" narrative, that hinges on them whining they can't subpoena anyone unilaterally from the House. Senator Burr is to the Senate what Schiff is to the House.

In the following clip (from 4m4secs in) Levin points out the differences between how the Republicans went about things when Clinton was being impeached, in comparison to how the democrats are going about it today:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1183869189049737217

[insert inconvenient clips of Republicans taking stances back then they pretend don't exist now]

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1181682899424350209?s=20

- so let's stop pretending that this should all be played the same way as the Clinton impeachment was; to me that implies these people would actually call out refusal to comply with subpoenas and obstruction of justice as impeachable offenses.

Several of the lawmakers that stormed the SCIF tweeted and uploaded media from inside. They’ve since realized that’s actually reeeeallly bad - and have taken to saying no no no that wasn’t from the SCIF aaaaactually we had “transmitted” our tweets to aides who tweeted for us. Because “how were you transmitting this” won’t ever be asked....

One of the sitting GOP who didn’t join the mob was actually the one responsible for gathering the phones - perhaps realizing sooner than they did how utterly felonious it was.

Reportedly all planned as early as last week when they met Trump at the WH but it was postponed due to Elijah Cummings’ passing. Presumably they expected to be thrown out by the Democrats so they could call it a coverup. Seems to have wildly backfired on them, no indication yet what lasting repercussions there will be. Ironically the mob included Republicans who are allowed to sit on those panels, ask questions, hear closed door testimony...

5 hours late, Laura Cooper’s testimony is off to a calmer start.

Overheal wrote: »

But you just said yesterday you have no problem with these closed hearings.

That's right, I don't have any problem with closed door hearings.

Now you do?

I don't see how you would infer that from what I just posted. Did you watch the clip? The speed of your reply tells me not.

Clearly, “nuts” doesn’t adequately convey or encapsulate what opinions or viewpoints you wish to convey.

As pointed out, the democrats are not letting republicans read the transcripts.

This is not just any inquiry, this is an impeachment inquiry into the President of the United States, who the people voted for. It's disgraceful that the republican party are being treated in this manner.

In the following clip (from 4m4secs in) Levin points out the differences between how the Republicans went about things when Clinton was being impeached, in comparison to how the democrats are going about it today:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1183869189049737217

James Brown

I think Trump will be gone by Christmas. I don't think the Republican's can keep a straight face, (the ones not storming and eating cheesits or whatever).

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I've already said that what is going on is 'nuts' and so why would I see what the republicans did today as obstruction?

I agree with the following sentiment:

https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/1187087966407135233

But you just said yesterday you have no problem with these closed hearings. Now you do?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Can you quote were I complained about closed door hearings? No, because I didn't.

Read the Tweet I quoted again.

In fact, if anything I think such hearings are better than the 5 minute back and forth public hearings, less likely to get to the truth with those.

Clearly, “nuts” doesn’t adequately convey or encapsulate what opinions or viewpoints you wish to convey.

Overheal wrote: »

No comment on Republican obstruction of justice today?

I've already said that what is going on is 'nuts' and so why would I see what the republicans did today as obstruction?

I agree with the following sentiment:

https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/1187087966407135233

That’s fair and you’re right, sorry Pete.

Moving on, Trump is off today intimidating Republicans into not defecting from him, labeling them “human scum” and worse than Democrats to really play up the never-Democrat base

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-calls-republicans-who-oppose-him-human-scum-more-dangerous-for-our-country-than-democrats/

The NY bar has called for the recusal of Barr from the Ukrainian matter

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/nyc-bar-association-if-ag-barr-doesnt-recuse-himself-from-ukraine-matter-he-should-resign-or-be-removed/

Beasty

Overheal wrote: »

Nice to see you back on the thread after a few days of ignoring questions and counter arguments only to rise again and engage in another sidebar. No comment on Republican obstruction of justice today?

Give this petty bickering a rest - discuss the topic rather than challenging posters like that

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

As I said: softly. Don’t think Russia feels dissuaded from operating in Turkey right now.

Nice to see you back on the thread after a few days of ignoring questions and counter arguments only to rise again and engage in another sidebar. No comment on Republican obstruction of justice today?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/25/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

Overheal wrote: »

He has, but softly or toothless