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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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This is the eleventh incarnation of our Brexit discussion thread,

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mirrorwall14

Can anyone explain how this works? This is the first time I've actually turned on the live feed. How do they vote?

is_that_so

Shelga wrote: »

What does second reading mean? They have voted to agree to vote again??

I'm getting really confused, and I'm usually on top of all Brexit craziness

I know the next one, the programme motion, is the biggie, but again, what exactly does it mean?

It means it can now be opened to debate and examination and subject to more amendments.

is_that_so

Commentary on BBC suggesting that the public have been making their feelings known to MPs.

PropJoe10

DUP are going to vote now, it seems. Not sure why they'd abstain on this one.

Kermit.de.frog

DUP have left the chamber now, not abstaining.

Shelga

What does second reading mean? They have voted to agree to vote again??

I'm getting really confused, and I'm usually on top of all Brexit craziness

I know the next one, the programme motion, is the biggie, but again, what exactly does it mean?

is_that_so

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Been out of the loop today & y'day regards Brexit. Whats the programme motion?

How much time they have to debate. He wants three days, some of them want up to 4 weeks.

liamtech

devnull wrote: »

DUP look to be abstaining.

Impossible - would they abstain on the 'precious union'?

If they do they will be ripped to shreds surely?

Kermit.de.frog

Are DUP abstaining!?

They have not left the chamber.

devnull

DUP look to be abstaining.

TCDStudent1

Been out of the loop today & y'day regards Brexit. Whats the programme motion?

Itssoeasy

The DUP are sitting in the chamber and not moving.

is_that_so

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Are we getting somewhere at last?

Vote for timetable will tell. If that's a No, he's going to pull it and try to go for an election.

Itssoeasy

I know it’s a majority of 30 but it’s for a second reading which just means it’s going to move on the next stage.

Kermit.de.frog

Twice the majority as was expected for the second reading.

Going to be really tight for the programme vote.

PropJoe10

Convincing win for the second reading. Now, the process of amending it will begin. Programme motion will be much closer, I'd say.

liamtech

329 - For
299 - Against

Majority 30

Win for the GVT

now

THIS IS IT - This is the one

https://www.ft.com/content/cb962dfb-1d9f-38ce-a27d-131bbd039f9a

Will they or wont they - will he or wont he

A Dub in Glasgo

329 v 299

Mr.Nice Guy

Are we getting somewhere at last?

Kermit.de.frog

Majority of 30 for second reading.

A Dub in Glasgo

I will say it again, the method of voting in the HoC is a farce and they need to move with the times

devnull

This is going to pass I think, second one is going to be tight I reckon.

Labour's Sarah Champion, Gareth Snell and Ruth Smeeth have voted with government, along with John Mann and Antoinette Sandbach who are independent.

Spanish Eyes

Be interesting to see if the timetable passes. If it does, it is all over now.

IMO of course. The battle, bullying and brainwashing has succeeded. OK that's "Democracy" for you.

Kermit.de.frog

It's annoying me listening to Alister Campbell - moaning about the "border" in the Irish sea.

Of course a month a go he was all against a border on the island of Ireland - at all costs.

As long as it suits their remain agenda. Just using whatever the issue happens to be.

liamtech

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The first will pass.

Second one (timetable) very tight.

id second that -

even if i was in favor of brexit i wouldnt be prepared to rush the thing through just so BJ isnt embarrassed by not leaving on 31st October

Id say

VOTE 1 - Narrow win
VOTE 2 - Solid but not substantial loss

For me question is whether BJ sticks to his guns - its insane and childish of him tbh

https://www.ft.com/content/cb962dfb-1d9f-38ce-a27d-131bbd039f9a

Kermit.de.frog

Going to be close on the timetable!

https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1186704139557965824

bazermc

Division. Clear the lobbies.

Spanish Eyes

How many times on this journey have we been at this pass?

Honestly, So much for the UK being in control of everything.

Spanish Eyes

Pass or fail, they are doomed. Hoist by their own petard.

PropJoe10

liamtech wrote: »

think this is the vote coming up soon - this is the last speaker before the vote - anyone wanna call this?

sadly i think this might pass

Hopefully it passes. This shambles can't continue.