Irish Times wrote: A chef who was sacked and accused of sexual harassment after asking a female colleague for a kiss when Dublin won the All-Ireland has been awarded compensation of €17,500 for unfair dismissal. The avid GAA supporter told the Workplace Relations Commission (WRC) that he was “elated” and in “high spirits” after the Dublin football team won the “four-in-a-row” last year. He was leaving work to attend the homecoming celebrations, and told his female co-worker that he thought this “deserves a kiss”, pointing to his cheek. He later described the comment as “simply banter”.
namloc1980 wrote: » The problem here was the company's stupid zero tolerance policy. HR like these policies because it means they don't have to engage their brains or use their judgment. A verbal warning would've been sufficient.
Stevieluvsye wrote: » Hmmm i'll reserve some judgement here as i think comes comes down to the content of their working "relationship" he could well be an absolute sleazy k!nt and the job had had enough and bypassed normal protocal
Ficheall wrote: » Or other social situation, according to the definition you quoted, right?
blinding wrote: » So women are too fragile for a bit of banter and are not able to cope with a bit of banter . Maybe they just want a safe space back at home ! When they said they wanted equality was it too much to expect they could handle a bit of banter . Women up . They just discredit genuine cases .
is_that_so wrote: » All we have is the article in the OP to go on and it does highlight the disproportionate response of the company.
Stevieluvsye wrote: » I have a feeling this story has a lot more to the background than what we know of
is_that_so wrote: » Well WRC has deemed it unfair dismissal and they didn't follow any form of procedure. Procedures are there for everyone including addressing how people behave as are the varying levels of sanctions.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » What a thick post, on so many levels. I know your intention is to bash women, but you unwittingly do men a disservice. Most of us have a bit of cop on and know who we can and can't engage in 'banter' with. He was in the job four days.
Diceicle wrote: » Its certainly possible that the complailant was dressed in a workplace-inappropriate or sexually suggestive clothing - which may have given off the wrong message. Leave the high-heels, low-cut blouses and make-up at home, ladies.
namloc1980 wrote: » Three years according to the article, but had been working with the complainant for just 4 days.
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » They'd worked together for just four days. In that situation, I think most of us wouldn't dream of behaving like that.
blinding wrote: » The ladies can’t cut it in the work place . Time off for periods , time off for the menopause , can’t handle a bit of banter , when the going gets tough / heavy , let the men do it . Long hours ; let the men do it . Work far from home ; let the men do it . Women have found the work place much harder than they thought it was and find every and very exude to do a runner to their safe place at home watching Good Morning TV and the Like . Give it up Ladies most of ye would be much happier at home with yer’e feet up .
Yer Da sells Avon wrote: » It's like you're trying to compete with each other for who can make the thickest post. It's a draw.
D3V!L wrote: » I believe my track record here will further re-enforce my previous statement your honour.
jam_mac_jam wrote: » Ficheall wrote: » Or other social situation, according to the definition you quoted, right? No just work. I don't think that is a crazy idea that you should be able to go to your job without getting creeped on. Maybe it is.
jam_mac_jam wrote: » Definition - behaviour characterized by the making of unwelcome and inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances in a workplace or other professional or social situation.
blinding wrote: » The ladies can’t cut it in the work place . Time off for periods , time off for the menopause , can’t handle a bit of banter , when the going gets tough / heavy , let the men do it . Long hours ; let the men do it . Work far from home ; let the men do it . Women have found the work place much harder than they thought it was and find every and any exuse to do a runner to their safe place at home watching Good Morning TV and the Like . Give it up Ladies most of ye would be much happier at home with yer’e feet up .
Diceicle wrote: » But you can bet your life they'll want the same pay but not the same hours. Total bourgeois feminism.
Ficheall wrote: » Doesn't sound like just work to me, tbh.
jam_mac_jam wrote: » Write to google and ask them to change it so. You asked I clarified. I am talking about work. That's what the thread is about. If you have to pick apart people's argument word by word then maybe your point is invalid. Typing really slowly here... I.. am.... talking... about... work..
Ficheall wrote: » So when someone asks for a kiss in a social situation and is accused of harassment, citing your definition, would you agree that it was harassment?
Ficheall wrote: » Instead of typing your response slowly, you could perhaps spend the time thinking before writing it. The definition you provided to back up your point would class the same action in a social situation as harassment - your posts suggests that you would disagree that it would be (I think?). So when someone asks for a kiss in a social situation and is accused of harassment, citing your definition, would you agree that it was harassment? Or would you say that the definition was imperfect at best? In which case, perhaps you would like find a definition of harassment to cite that actually agrees with the intricacies of your own personal view?
jam_mac_jam wrote: » Going around in circles here. I have explained twice already that I am discussing a work situation, if you don't understand that point or you wish to continue going off on tangents that's fine.
is_that_so wrote: » Well WRC has deemed it unfair dismissal and they didn't follow any form of procedure. Procedures are there for everyone including addressing how people behave as well as varying levels of sanctions.
