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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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John Bercow rules out an MV until the WAB is passed.

Letwin_Larry

"repetitive & disorderly"

Igotadose

Bercow has disallowed the government from bringing the WAB to a vote. Bercow referenced Erskine-May, saying the motions are essentially the same. "

Motion will not be debated as it will be repetitive and disorderly to do so"

liamtech

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

"repetitive & disorderly"

That should really be the actual tag line for Brexit

Brexit in 3 words - 'Repetitive and disorderly'

trellheim

watching it on the phone he does not look happy

devnull

Bone was swatted off by Bercow pretty well there. Bone said MPs voted on Saturday not knowing whether Boris Johnson would send a letter requesting a Brexit delay or not, so something has changed and therefore he should be allowing a vote.

Bercow fired back at him he didn't even consider this, because it's not pertinent to think a minister would disobey the law.

dublinman1990

The vote is going ahead tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1186292106651942913

briany

The Conservatives are going to throw a massive shindig the day that Bercow steps down.

Hurrache

Mistake by Johnson's government, they could have tried it on Saturday with a chance it may have passed.

ToBeFrank123

Seth Brundle wrote: »

That's different to what Kermit.de.frog was implying.
Kermit.de.frog is trying to suggest that the Irish were bullied into a second vote on Lisbon and we decided to change our mind but what he doesn't mention is that we secured some guarrantees from the EU and therefore voted on something different.

From memory, the second time around people felt they had sent a message to their own government and the EU with the first vote. I'm sure there was some subtle digs from the EU and our own political parties that if we didn't vote a certain way there would be consequences. I cannot recall exactly what the consequences would have been. The general feeling was we were holding up the entire EU project. As its a separate issue I will leave it at that.

Headshot

Ahh poor old Bernard

what a nasty piece of work

GM228

You have to admire Bercow, he is well able for what is thrown at him and gives well reasoned replies unlike others in the HoC, he will be missed when he goes.

PropJoe10

Headshot wrote: »

Ahh poor old Bernard

what a nasty piece of work

Bercow really slapped him down emphatically there!

farmchoice

Headshot wrote: »

Ahh poor old Bernard

what a nasty piece of work

bercow tore him apart

Water John

He demolishes JRM as well. The man who agreed with the Speaker on repetition in March and on Saturday reintroduced the same motion in 21 minutes.

trellheim

So they need the legislation now , from their point of view worth a throw of the dice because now its up on blocks

Joe_ Public

That tory has seriously embarrassed himself with that second referendum question. How amateurish can you be?

RickBlaine

All the commentary I'm reading today suggests that there is just about enough support for Johnson's deal, and both the 2nd ref amendment and the customs union amendment do not have the support to pass (the later by a narrow margin).

So unless there are serious issues found in the published legislation, it seems likely the deal will get through.

Akrasia

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What exactly did they win?
In terms of the result being carried out, what exactly is to be carried out?

The referendum was to invoke article 50
Article 50 was invoked and the brexiters have spent 3 years arguing amongst themselves over how they should leave the EU.

You have people like 'Nick Ferarri' interviewing 'remainers' in the most condescending tones imaginable about having to 'respect the referendum' when the UK has done nothing else for the past 3 years except try to implement brexit. Only a loon could think 'the will of the people' has been ignored. It hasn't been ignored, and the UK already is £50 billion worse off to show for it.

Nick Ferarri used the analogy of a divorce last week when he was interviewing Jo Swinson. He said that when you decide to divorce someone, you don't spend ages negotiating a deal, you just get it done.
This is absolute nonsense. Getting divorced can involve years of bitter negotiating and often one party has a court mandated settlement imposed on them for the rest of their working life.

Nick Ferarri's divorce analogy is like a Married man with a family and a family owned business just telling his wife he is divorcing her, and walking away from the family, the mortgage and refusing to pay any maintanance for his children.

And then still turning up for work on Monday and expecting to share an office and draw a salary as if nothing has happened.

trellheim

All the commentary I'm reading today suggests that there is just about enough support for Johnson's deal, and both the 2nd ref amendment and the customs union amendment do not have the support to pass (the later by a narrow margin).

So unless there are serious issues found in the published legislation, it seems likely the deal will get through.

No-one has seen the bill as yet

Zubeneschamali

RickBlaine wrote: »

So unless there are serious issues found in the published legislation

100 pages of legal text which the government have been hiding in a drawer for a year...

I think the chances of "serious issues" are pretty close to 100%.

Kermit.de.frog

Not enough numbers for either 2nd ref or customs union seems to be concensus. So they should just get on with it then.

Letwin_Larry

liamtech wrote: »

That should really be the actual tag line for Brexit

Brexit in 3 words - 'Repetitive and disorderly'

and really silly?

Tacitus Kilgore

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Not enough numbers for either 2nd ref or customs union seems to be concensus. So they should just get on with it then.

Get on with what? :pac:

They can't even agree their own deals, how in the hell are they supposed to get on with "it" when they haven't a bulls notion what "it" is.

Danzy

There is a deal that Brussels and Dublin are reasonably happy with.

That the British Gov't are reasonably happy with.

It has a good chance of passing.

2nd referendums and all the trouble that entails for ourselves and the EU, nevermind Britain, other bills do not have enough support.

Get this passed needs to be the message from Brussels and they are letting it be known that they are frustrated that it hasn't been passed.

Duane Dibbley

Is today another wasted Brexit day or is something of importance going to happen?

Tea Shock

Barclay's aloof dismissing of the questions being posed is grating!

is_that_so

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

Is today another wasted Brexit day or is something of importance going to happen?

If you have to ask it's the former!

Strazdas

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

Is today another wasted Brexit day or is something of importance going to happen?

Nothing going to happen today anyway (or tomorrow).

SeaBreezes

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

100 pages of legal text which the government have been hiding in a drawer for a year...

I think the chances of "serious issues" are pretty close to 100%.

Apparently, there is also a gov study on effects of this bill on UK. Not going to be released until after the vote.. I wonder why...