whatawaster wrote: » My 34 man squad for the 6N TH - Furlong, Porter, Moore LH - Healy, Kilcoyne, O'Sullivan HK - Scannell, Marshall, B Byrne Lock - J Ryan, Henderson, Dillane, Beirne Back Row - (Leavy injured) - VDF, Stander, Conan, Deegan, Ruddock, POM Scrum-Half - Murray, Marmion/McGrath, Gibson-Park Out-Half - Carbery, Byrne, Carty Centre - Ringrose, Henshaw, Farrell, Arnold Back 3 - Larmour, Conway, Stockdale, Addison, Lowry
connachta wrote: » For RWC 2023 we should have 2 decent outhalf backs per provinces. We could, bringing back the 2 Priemiership guys Ulster : Burns (29) + Herron (27) Connacht : Carty (31) + C.Fitzgerald (26) Leinster : Byrne (28) + Sheedy (27) Munster : Carbery (27) + Bleyendaal (33)
JJJackal wrote: » If your leaving out sexton and co you cant be bringing in dave kearney, dev and SOB - same vintage
Dubinusa wrote: » I believe there's a good group scratching the surface. Paul Boyle for me is probably the one who comes to mind. He's 21. I think he's got a good shout of making the extended squad, or better. Deegan, clearly he's something special. Speed and great carrying ability. He could crack the squad soon. Treadwell has been great for Ulster. Athletic and very big. He may be recalled. Marty Moore was great last year. He's a viable option at back up. Porter, should he revert to lh? In the backs, Tom Farrell has been really good. McCloskey and Gilroy could get another look and Hume may be an option in a year or two. I also think that Flannery in Munster looks like he could be a future option. A lot of talent hovering at the gate.
Former Former wrote: » Honestly, barring some serious breakthrough players emerging, I think we are in for a bit of a lean spell.
partyguinness wrote: » I think what we see with Ireland stylistically is that they fall between two bar stools so to speak. You have the NZ, Wales, Argentina (1997 & 2015) and Japans of the world- fast, nippy, more natural ball players. On the other side you have the SA and England- big, burly brute force with lethal wingers. Ireland do not fall into either camp. So I believe the the usual reaction and talk about jettisoning players is over blown- it is far deeper than that and a cultural issue that strikes at the root and branch of rugby in this country. Quite simply Irish rugby players are not raised to be natural ball players- you cannot manufacture new players or change that in a few years.
Niallof9 wrote: » disagree. I've been involved with plenty of teams that offloaded. I played against clubs for years with that mindset. UCD, Lansdowne, Trinity spring to mind. Yeah a lower level but all part of the same pyramid. Any rugby player involved in Irish rugby has learned drills designed for offloading. Yes its less than the kiwis etc. But only this week i got a text saying from our club team saying not to play tipper but to warm up with drills and team functions. Utter bs. We used to play touch pre every training session , some with Sexton, and the skills on show were brilliant. The lads in the Irish set up have been hamstrung by Schmidt. Mike Ross uncritically goes into detail about his plan in his book. Google it, to me its shocking. McCloskey was effectively banished for a dropped offload. Alan Quinlan arguing we don't offload cause its the weather and Northern rugby. Then cites the Fijian second row who played for glasgow in scoutstun offloading at will. also did we imagine the Pat Lam era? We play very few games in wet weather. In most rugby below AIL it gets called off if big rain. I've been to loads of Leinster matches last year in the bone dry. Leinster offload...James Ryan is a brilliant offloader. He tried one that dropped for Ireland against England i think and i'm sure Joe ate him alive. Haven't seen it since. Plenty of nippy players - Lowry is one that springs to mind. We have pruposefully constructed a small professional net. We have 209 clubs in Ireland with multiple thousands of players, yet only 180 pro players or so fine. But lets not pretend we are this or that. There's big lads, nippy lads, hard lads. For one reason or another only the very few break through. I played with 3 AIL captains who would be pro in many other countries. One of them is now a coach with Leinster. I'm sure others have people in their clubs with the same story. Sport is a weird thing with a lot of luck lets not excuse ourselves with made up stuff. D'arcy also agrees with your theory.
Jump_In_Jack wrote: » The one player that way be a big improvement to this squad could be Aaron Sexton, if he fulfills his promise he could be the best wing we’ve ever produced.
partyguinness wrote: » I am not going to challenge your of the AIL but at the same time this is not happening with the national side. Playing like that AIL is one thing but is it really reasonable to compare that the levels at the WC. The weather in France is not the greatest at times and they offload. I do believe the default position (same goes for the soccer team) is to treat the ball like a hot potato and safety first. It is then a vicious circle as the players are not trusted by the coach then the players do not back themselves on the pitch so how do you break the cycle? TBH I have not read D'Arcy's view on it.
Niallof9 wrote: » Im not comparing, im just challenging the idea that it is alien to these guys many of whom played at that level. Ireland don't offload i totally agree and it is because of our possession game. Kearney has touched on why he runs to contact its a similar thing..to set up the ruck, control the ball. Offloads means the supporting runner has to rethink the ruck etc. Schmidt chose the ruck option. So Ireland have something like the highest ruck creation numbers in World Rugby. Each ruck needs to be secured and creates hundreds of mini collisions and takes players out of the space. There's a photo or two of the team sending in 5 players to rucks on Saturday and No Allblack in sight. Yeah it is a cycle, its a tough one. I despair at how we play anyhow. Leinster is night and day with nearly the same players.
hahashake wrote: » Are Ireland not a big team? Burly tight 5, big halves pairing, decent sized midfield. Rest are not undersized either.
partyguinness wrote: » Look at how the England forwards and SA forwards played over the weekend. Ireland would have seriously struggled to match that intensity.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » we need to give over on hyping some youngsters up. Yes he is quick and big unit but steady on. How often have youngsters with talent talked of like you are here and then disappeared.
Utah_Saint wrote: » Can't be arsed checking stats but I'm sure Ireland players compare well with others in terms of size. For SA and England it's attitude not size. Anyway size is not the issue here...
Niallof9 wrote: » Exactly what I’m suggesting. Peter on 550 k or Ruddock on what probably 250k...they will back their investment. It’s a chicken and egg situation at times which came first the central contract or the immovable undroppable player. Like I don’t know how some of the well paid undroppable look at the others in the eye. I’m sure there is tension. People will point to dev....probably on a lower salary as he’s not as marketable and he’s aging. I think it’s a factor you don’t, we will never know. Look at Bowe always making squads right to the bitter end on his 500 k Move to provincial contracts, private etc. ringfencing 12 guys from a 35 man squad in 2019 is dumb in my opinion. Zebo was snubbed and he thumbed his nose, rightly or wrongly but earls yesterday was making a mockery of his central contract and big bucks. We also get flavor of the months who never stood a chance. Of course form should play a major part just as it does at lower level.
AdamD wrote: » Deegan was junior world player of the year. Doris and Penny are top prospects too. Conor O'Brien could breakout this year in the backline at Leinster
Jump_In_Jack wrote: » I know you are trying to be a sort of protector of young guys, and I'd agree with that in general, But in this case the fact is that we simply have never had a sprinter of his calibre in Ireland, and to have him decide to play rugby is hugely exciting. To be able to record 10.49 seconds for the 100 metre sprint at 18 years of age is unprecedented in this country. It could be a game changer if that type of speed was available on the wing. Of course there is more to rugby than just being fast, but it's something we've never had to that extent. Edit: I meant his 100m record at his age, of course Paul Hession holds the Irish 100m record at 10.18 seconds.
Dubinusa wrote: » It's a new era now! Lots of work to do. Lots of lads to be dropped? Ruddock for 2 years has been a lot better than POM. I think he starts. Standers and Conan are obviously our best options at 8. Hopefully, Deegan or Doris can pressure them. VDF is the best 7, depending on Leavy and his recovery. Penny and Hodnett are possible prospects down the road. Murray has been awful. Completely below average. Farrell should not persist with him unless he turns it around. Stockdale, has not been used regularly. Both of our wings have been spectators. They need to be used more. The wrap around is so expected and predictable. I don't think we're going to suffer a lot. A gradual introduction of new blood over the 18 months will be fine. I think the shackles need to come off a little. But, time will tell. Exciting rugby ahead?
The Lost Sheep wrote: » I'm no protector just think people over hype kids based on schools and 20s rugby. Being quick is great but doesnt mean he should be fast tracked.
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