lola85 wrote: » It’s ridiculous. Everyone giving out the government are doing nothing yet every development seems to be opposed.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I couldn't find it in the article but is the proposed development social and affordable housing?
lola85 wrote: » Don’t know, not that it makes a difference.
sdanseo wrote: » These people complaining need a slap across the face. There is a housing crisis. Building masses of social homes is not the answer and here is a private developer trying to build. The same people are complaining about the lack of housing and some of them are demanding handouts. Describing 5 and 6 stories as high rise is as stupid as is it ignorant: we're talking about the middle of a capital city. Politicians need to unite on issues of public attitude like this - there are an ever growing number of examples where the backward, self obsessed, parish pump and frankly uninformed Irish public need to be educated as to how the bloody world works. Jesus (if he ever existed) wept.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Actually it does, the housing crisis is not just driven by lack of supply, affordability is as much a problem.
Coolock residents are moving to try to block plans by a developer to build two high-rise apartments...
friendlyfun wrote: » "Residents are also concerned the development may interfere with important archaeological artefacts that may lie underground" They're really scraping the barrel
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Building masses of social housing is the answer, relying on market forces to solve the problem is not working.
lola85 wrote: » But lack of supply is an issue too? Previous FG sold off vast tracts of land at knockdown prices and have not dealt with the land hoarding issue in any meaningful way The more houses for everyone the more prices go down. Slight problem there as it is not in the interests of private developers to meet demand. People who can only afford social housing aren’t the only ones who matter too.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Which is exactly why the state should embark on a major social housing building programme as was done in the early life of this state. Supply was also impacted by the fire sale of developments by NAMA. Workers also live in social housing, just saying.
pablo128 wrote: » I'm not arguing with any of your points, but Coolock is hardly in the middle of a capital city. There's plenty of space there.
sdanseo wrote: » We did that before, it didn't work. It creates areas of perpetual low income and costs the state billions in the long run. We need to encourage people to own their own homes or rent. It has worked in many areas and not in others. If you build large social housing you need to put in services and amenities plus you also need to have a diverse mix of tenant's. Which is not impossible. I agree finding a way to do that is proving incredibly difficult because of commercial greed. But there has to be a balance between a socialist state and the opposite like in the USA where you have the likes of skid row. The key is in the abolition of the fantasy that everyone should own their own home. Renting long term is perfectly acceptable once it's kept affordable.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Many have accepted they will never own their own home, however if proper tenant rights were implemented that exist in other European countries ownership would not be as important an issue to people.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » Tenant rights are there now. What do you mean?
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Security of tenure is the most obvious, and at present only exists in a council house.
lola85 wrote: » We’re going off the topic. NIMBYS backed by councilors are just as big a problem in the housing crisis.
Liberta Per Gli Ultra wrote: » You're not supposed to say that. Capitalism is a fair and frankly wonderful economic model that naturally rewards those born into wealth the best among us. Questioning capitalism or any of its facets is like questioning the importance of Google and Facebook to Ireland, it's sacrilege.
sdanseo wrote: » It's about 8km from O'Connell Street. It is the middle of the metropolitan area. We cannot keep sprawling. We have to build upwards and do so more aggresively. Six stories should be the minimum new build height inside the M50. 12 stories inside the canal ring. This needs to be combined of course with sufficiently capable public transport for which there seems to be no urgency or political will in this country. All the while, we continue to appeal to multinationals to come here despite there being nowhere to live, which puts pressure on everyone. I'm a decent example, I'm 31, live at home because can't afford anywhere else, despite being on a decent wage. The Irish vision for development is backward and any limited progress is happening too slowly, on more than just housing. The sooner we pick ourselves out of the 1980s and realise we need to start making better policy and getting more done, the better.
micosoft wrote: » Secondly the Capitalist system is recognised by pretty much all as a flawed system, though suspect you mean to say "free market" (we have a mixed economy). You use policy through taxation and regulation to ameliorate the worst impact.
And is questioning the questioner if they have really thought through their "question" is sacrilege.
