Joe_ Public wrote: » It could be nonsense, it was just a flyer from sky eu correspondent though he is obviously speaking to his sources so who knows? Heard it a couple of other places too, will only believe it when i see it all the same.Does letwin preclude them from bringing back mv on monday? Not sure it does. They can rush the legislation through very quickly and depends then how opposition go about counter measures. All very speculative it has to be said.
marno21 wrote: » It doesn't surprise me that people are hostile towards a gentleman intent on wrecking his country in the pursuit of the personal gain and those of his chums.
Rjd2 wrote: » https://twitter.com/TomBoadle/status/1185571697090531328https://twitter.com/39_stephs/status/1185571331980566530 I know some are saying Mogg bringing his kid is cynical, but still leave him alone. Abbot is a poor politician but the abuse she gets is so unpleasant and relentless. I do fear some day some loon will try and attack her. Obviously hope I am wrong.
liamtech wrote: » im not sure it does prevent it from coming back for a vote - but it does kinda prevent vote from being meaningful Letwin effectively says HOC cannot accept a deal without first ensuring all legislation is sorted Which triggers Benn act, which means extension - which means election? VONC? Tbh i am getting mighty fed up with the oppositions intransigence -all the opposition parties (bar the DUP if you count them as opp) dont want brexit want an election some if not all would now endorse a 2ndref AND they have the numbers now it seems to VONC, GNU, and force through either an extension, and or a general election, AND OR A SECOND REF but they wont.. why? Cause Swinson hates Corbyn Berger/Umunna et al Hate Corbyn Corbyn hates the above The SNP hate everyone but will work with anyone to get Indyref2 The independents hate most of the above unless they are voting to delay (not cancel) a deal, in which case they love them Tory Rebels hate some but not all of the above, but cannot bring themselves to back anyone over the line Its insane - this could be done this week, but just like the Tories ALL OF THE ABOVE, not just Corbyn, are playing politics and party first nonsense My opinion anyway
Itssoeasy wrote: » But he's there with his son. I don't agree with his position but I think all politicians actually have a right to not be harassed or have unsavoury things yelled at them.
Rjd2 wrote: » So calling someone a Nazi which I am pretty sure he isn't despite his flaws is justified?
marno21 wrote: » Perhaps the word "Nazi" is excessive, but illegally shutting down Parliament in order to ram through something for his own benefit which harms the economy of the country whilst constantly talking out of the other side of his mouth about "democracy" might rile some people into calling him one.
brickster69 wrote: » Obviously the EU will accept an extension. The only deal they cannot accept is no deal. Backstop gone and withdrawal agreement opened which they said they would never do. Bluffers thrown it's hand away already
FrancieBrady wrote: » Backstop gone and withdrawal agreement opened which they said they would never do...UNLESS the UK came with serious alternatives...which they did. Totally consistent from the EU.
Originally Posted by Itssoeasy View Post But he's there with his son. I don't agree with his position but I think all politicians actually have a right to not be harassed or have unsavoury things yelled at them.
"I've never heard such humbug in all my life." Boris Johnson
"Surrender Act" Boris Johnson et all
"the best way to honor the memory of Jo Cox and indeed the best way to bring this country together would be, I think, to get Brexit done." Boris Johnson
" They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." Bomber Harris
FrancieBrady wrote: » Beth Rigby reporting this.https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1185592504093159426
But senior EU officials said it was clear during the discussions among the leaders at a summit on Thursday that “they would grant an extension”. “Even [the French president Emmanuel] Macron in the room didn’t suggest otherwise,” the source said.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Could be right but it's a bit of dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi.
liamtech wrote: » Well if it is true then the only option is to have the opposition make their move - A substantial change would be a GNU - caretaker - telling the EU that BJ is out - we are in pending a General Election and possibly 2ndREF - Thats it like - its now or never - if they do nothing then BJ will get 10-15 votes, get the deal through - fast track the legislation and its done If they REALLY WANT to avoid Brexit, they have to act
Joe_ Public wrote: » Its kind of a bit sad though that Johnson's team are taking it as some kind of masterstroke that the eu reopened the WA. To do what? To go back to a position they were happy to accept 2 years ago and which was a major UK concession. I mean, some victory, right? And now we're back to keep no deal on table, maximum leverage angle again. When the uk learns how to negotiate in a mature, grown up fashion, maybe it can stop getting itself into these kind of messes.
FrancieBrady wrote: » High time the EU did something out of left field to sort this.
theological wrote: » Not true. The significant bit that has changed is democratic input from Northern Ireland on it's affairs. That's a big achievement for Johnson particularly given that they were told that it wasn't under discussion. Whether you like it or not, Johnson has succeeded in removing the backstop and has provided a permanent legislative mechanism for EU affairs for Northern Ireland. That's not a small achievement. The Letwin amendment passing this afternoon actually helps Johnson. It gives him more time to find MPs to support his deal. It simply prevents a no deal agreement. More and more Labour MPs are declaring support for passing it. You can now add Melanie Onn to the list of MPs I provided previously who will more than likely back the deal and see through the self-serving attitude of the Labour front bench.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Being old fashioned i struggle with this idea of diplomacy by text message. Why would macron even give him that assurance.and why are they such good text buddy pals all of a sudden? Guess it would explain bojos smugness today anyway but wouldnt believe any of this until hear official word. Macron got to deal with merkel too!
Joe_ Public wrote: » Melanie Onn declared yesterday so nothing new there. Only 6 lab voted with gov today and 4 abstained so even if you included the abstentions as pro-deal you only have enough to cancel out dup. Numbers arent there and i doubt ever will be. Also, fact remains they only got to a position they could have reached 2 years ago. Its nothing to crow about and lost their governing partners into the bargain. Thrilling victory you'd have to say!
theological wrote: » The vote for this amendment - is not an anti-Brexit vote, it is a vote to ensure the legislation is in place before a deal. Letwin who raised the amendment supports the deal, but wants to prevent no deal in the interim. There are MPs who voted for this amendment, who will also vote for the deal.
theological wrote: » Johnson has succeeded in removing the backstop and has provided a permanent legislative mechanism for EU affairs for Northern Ireland. That's not a small achievement.
