Shefwedfan wrote: » How? He won 1 Grand Slam and 2 6 nations So how is it in tatters? You spelt out nothing bar vague comments based on kidney who doesn’t even have close to Joe record at club level either So again, please explain?
Exclamation Marc wrote: » Facts point to him being quite the opposite actually. The team weren't good enough, but that doesn't make him a bad coach. Put the world's best coach (whoever that is) in charge of Namibia, doesn't mean they're going to win the WC. But please, continue trolling, don't let facts get in the way.
Vinnie222 wrote: » Was this Irelands biggest loss at a world cup
snotboogie wrote: » Kidney won 2 Heineken Cups, his club record is not even close to Joe's? Really?
Danthemanhere wrote: » Kidney won our first grand slam in how many years? Like I said, Schmidt is ahead of him but not by much now.
awec wrote: » As a team we've stagnated. 2019 has shown that. Andy Farrell has a job on his hands rebuilding this side. It doesn't require major surgery in terms of personnel, but changes are needed. Obviously we need a replacement for Best. We need to address the back row, I am not sure we know what our most effective trio is. Sexton and Murray are still the men at 9 and 10 for now, but this business of them playing 70+ minutes every game and the backup getting a token jog out needs to end. Decide who the next cab off the rank is and give them some meaningful game time. In the centre we are fine. In the back three it is time for Kearney to be put out to pasture. Larmour seems the most likely candidate for that spot. I'd like to see Conway used more.
fitz wrote: » We didn't progress this year, and Hansen clearly learned from the last defeat in Dublin. I think injuries to key players who then struggled with form during the year left us with no momentum, and you could see today the lack of confidence in the team. We weren't half the side of November 2018. I think we need to develop systems that allow in form young players to come in and get capped quickly, without being in a number of camps before being ready. Ironically, I think going back to Joe's early Leinster mission of being the best passing team is what's needed, and any players who can't handle and pass the ball to keep continuity without always taking contact shouldn't make the team.
Shefwedfan wrote: » The difference between Leinster and Ireland is huge With Leinster Joe had the players day in day out. He could teach them skills and get them playing to a specific way Ireland he has them at different times during the year and then they head back to province to play a completely different game. Joe has brought in young players, even when not in squad the likes of Larmour etc are in around the squad getting hints and tips so when they do get picked they are not overawed. This was a new process he brought in and it worked well..... Joe has, with Nucifora put a system in place that younger players are coming up with those skills. If you review everything over his reign a lot has worked well for Ireland. The last WC everything went right and then we lost half the team to injury and we got knocked out. He went to fixing that issue and build a huge squad. Which he done and build a team that could win....which he done but....when it came down to it he trusted his regualr players when he should have put in form players. POM, Stockdale, Kearney should not have been on pitch today. You could also question Henshaw and Healy. Conway was on fire, so was Kilcoyne. Ruddock was in cracking form and was was larmour. I am not saying we would have won starting those players, but we could have given a better account of ourselves.
Professor Genius wrote: » Carberry should have been starting 10. Sexton has been playing like a drain for the year
thomond2006 wrote: » Sexton is under contract for another two years and is on monster money. There's no question about him remaining in the Irish side. There is a glaring need for giving opportunities to someone to either replace Sexton when he retires or better still take the starting jersey from him.
Bigboldworld wrote: » Sexton should pass the baton to Carbery, his form has been shockingly inconsistent, no faith in him anymore when he steps up to take the kicks, his conversion rate has been hit and miss for a good while now, new blood is needed
Clegg wrote: » New blood may be needed, but there's still the issue that Sexton is still the best 10 we have by an absolute mile. If he's fit and available to play for Ireland I don't think Farrell could leave him out.
Donnielighto wrote: » You can still win but it's not the priority in this situation. The WC is bigger and with the issues Ireland have in them it'd be a bigger achievement to reach a semi than get a GS, to me anyway but I'm fairly confident that'd be a common view. Phasing out players who won't be there or are expected to be on the downslope in 2023 should be the focus ow with at least 2 players legitimately competing for each spot.
Professor Genius wrote: » That is no longer true. On current form Carberry is the better 10.
AbusesToilets wrote: » My biggest criticism of Joe is how poor the players look for the national team. This guys are well capable of passing, attacking etc, and show it for their club. He's had them playing a style that doesn't take advantage of that at all. In addition, he's trying to play a power game that we don't have the players for, and picked guys who are lacking in rugby skills to accomplish that. He's regularly ignored players tearing it up for their clubs doing so. We're told we should ignore the evidence before us, and that they must be deficient in the training camps. Different levels and proven performers over flash in the pans. What message does that send to the players? That it doesn't matter how well they do in actual games, there are the starters and everyone else. It's the same issue again and again, from EOS to Kidney, and now to Joe. If the results posed by his tests in camp lead to results like today, then perhaps it's not the players that are deficient, but rather the test itself. The best coaches in sports are ruthless. Hansen, Belichick, they have a singular focus on winning. If a player isn't performing, he gets the boot.
Shefwedfan wrote: » Who has ignored tearing it up for club?
whatawaster wrote: » We need Byrne starting big games for Leinster
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