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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

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nannerby

Clegg wrote: »

The Joe Schmidt thread is a complete disaster. Are we supposed to believe that his entire tenure has been a failure on the back of his world cup record? I honestly don't know how you can be an actual Ireland fan, knowing the history of the side, and think that.

Joe Schmidt as a coach and a person is top class deserves every accolade he gets.

Faugheen

Clegg wrote: »

The Joe Schmidt thread is a complete disaster. Are we supposed to believe that his entire tenure has been a failure on the back of his world cup record? I honestly don't know how you can be an actual Ireland fan, knowing the history of the side, and think that.

I have said many times that there’s a sizeable number of Irish rugby fans who deserve zero success or any kind of joy from what those players and coaches give us if they’re going to **** on the best coach Irish rugby has ever had.

They deserve mediocrity and failure.

salmocab

Clegg wrote: »

The Joe Schmidt thread is a complete disaster. Are we supposed to believe that his entire tenure has been a failure on the back of his world cup record? I honestly don't know how you can be an actual Ireland fan, knowing the history of the side, and think that.

The calendar year has been bad with the WC a lowlight but people were waiting in the long grass and are delighted now. He was the making of Leinster and whilst Cheka started the ball rolling with doing things right it was Joe that cemented that.

Clegg

The Joe Schmidt thread is a complete disaster. Are we supposed to believe that his entire tenure has been a failure on the back of his world cup record? I honestly don't know how you can be an actual Ireland fan, knowing the history of the side, and think that.

disposableFish

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He's been decent enough at Pro14 level, he's not really been tested at the top level with full strength teams in front of him.

I don't think he's as good a 10 as Ross Byrne or Harry, and I think we'll see this season that the coaching team will be picking Harry over him (keep in mind Harry's been one of the best outhalves we've had at U20 level in the past few years). He's a great playmaker yes, but I don't think he has the game management skills for bigger games (the Connacht game is probably the best example of this).

Christ, what I wouldn't give to never hear that term again.
Nobody can agree on exactly what it means, but if an out-half gets accused of not having it, then they're permanently dipped in sh!t.

TBH, almost ever out-half struggles unless their pack is getting them on the front foot. Seems a lot to be writing off a player (in that position at least) who's only a young'in with a hand-full of caps.

Squidgy Black

disposableFish wrote: »

He's been so impressive at 10, you wouldn't like to see him keep developing there?

I wouldn't be able to point to any aspect of his game and say "he's alright, but he doesn't have enough <whatever> to be a 10".

He's been decent enough at Pro14 level, he's not really been tested at the top level with full strength teams in front of him.

I don't think he's as good a 10 as Ross Byrne or Harry, and I think we'll see this season that the coaching team will be picking Harry over him (keep in mind Harry's been one of the best outhalves we've had at U20 level in the past few years). He's a great playmaker yes, but I don't think he has the game management skills for bigger games (the Connacht game is probably the best example of this).

disposableFish

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Frawley is a 12 that can cover 15, I was surprised he was played at 10 at all, as that's where he played for the U20s and was playing for the As originally.

He's been so impressive at 10, you wouldn't like to see him keep developing there?

I wouldn't be able to point to any aspect of his game and say "he's alright, but he doesn't have enough <whatever> to be a 10".

Squidgy Black

Frawley is a 12 that can cover 15, I was surprised he was played at 10 at all, as that's where he played for the U20s and was playing for the As originally.

Clegg

Faugheen wrote: »

I’ve always said Frawley looks like a 12.

David Hawkshaw also looks like someone who could be a quality second playmaker. It wouldn't hurt to give it a go. I always loved the smoothness of our attack when Reid played at 12. We could get the ball into the wiser channels very quickly with his pinpoint passing. If we could get someone with Reid's type of passing game, but who didn't have the same defensive problems we'd be in such a good position.

Faugheen

Clegg wrote: »

I'd like to see Frawley get a shot at 12. We know that he has the distribution and kicking skills from his time spent at flyhalf. I'm a huge admirer of Henshaw . He's obviously a test class inside centre and has huge upside. But his one drawback is that he's too quick to go for contact. The same is true for Conor O'Brien. It would be to Leinster's benefit if they at least attempted to give it a shot and adopt a style that uses two playmakers in the backline. I know Ringrose has been used as that centre distributor, but he's also someone who excels when he's running with the ball and looking for gaps.

I’ve always said Frawley looks like a 12.

Clegg

Shefwedfan wrote: »

:p

If he see's sense I am sure we would take him back

If Larmour see's his future at 15 then nail himself to that spot now, because the best in the World in that position...

We need to start to reduce Sextons minutes and increase Ross minutes at 10 in big games. Increase Harry's minutes in Pro 14.

Not sure about Frawley, what is his future?

I'd like to see Frawley get a shot at 12. We know that he has the distribution and kicking skills from his time spent at flyhalf. I'm a huge admirer of Henshaw . He's obviously a test class inside centre and has huge upside. But his one drawback is that he's too quick to go for contact. The same is true for Conor O'Brien. It would be to Leinster's benefit if they at least attempted to give it a shot and adopt a style that uses two playmakers in the backline. I know Ringrose has been used as that distributor, but he's also someone who excels when he's running with the ball and looking for gaps.

Shefwedfan

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Not Joey?

:p

If he see's sense I am sure we would take him back

If Larmour see's his future at 15 then nail himself to that spot now, because the best in the World in that position...

We need to start to reduce Sextons minutes and increase Ross minutes at 10 in big games. Increase Harry's minutes in Pro 14.

Not sure about Frawley, what is his future?

DGRulz

It will be interesting to see how the world cup lads are integrated back in given we have a 13 game run to the new year now.

Dravokivich

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Not Joey?

Like Conway, I dont expect to see him coming back.

nannerby

Is there any update on Cronins injury?

[Deleted User]

This thread seems safe. We've lost the rest of the forum to people who seem inexplicably angry about a sport they didn't care about 3 weeks ago

AbusesToilets

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Based on current form Larmour has to start at 15 in the HC.....we need to start moving Kearney out, I dont see any reason to keep him after this year

Great servant to Leinster and hard to say that but Larmour is the future

Not Joey?

Shefwedfan

Based on current form Larmour has to start at 15 in the HC.....we need to start moving Kearney out, I dont see any reason to keep him after this year

Great servant to Leinster and hard to say that but Larmour is the future

Steve

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Is this thread safe?

There are plenty of eyes on it.

Dave_The_Sheep

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Is this thread safe?

Give it a few days. They'll move on soon enough.

The Iron Giant

Is this thread safe?

Will be a lot of bruised egos coming back to Dublin alright. You'd imagine players like Kearney, Toner (not to state the obvious) maybe even Cronin will be full time Leinster players from now on.

Clegg

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Physical injuries at least, can't say the same about their spirit

They could also play like they've a point to prove. I think we've a number of players who actually had good tournaments. Ruddock, Ryan, Ringrose and Larmour all played well throughout. Hopefully they'll keep that form going into the season.

Dog Botherer

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Physical injuries at least, can't say the same about their spirit

there’ll be a lot of lads with a point to prove.

AbusesToilets

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Well, at least it looks like our injury list isn't too bad off the back of the RWC, bar Cronin and Conan we should be getting the full cohort back after the rest period.

Physical injuries at least, can't say the same about their spirit

Squidgy Black

Well, at least it looks like our injury list isn't too bad off the back of the RWC, bar Cronin and Conan we should be getting the full cohort back after the rest period.

Dog Botherer

Whitehouse hadn’t a clue what was going on at the scrum. Complete free for all with both sides trying every trick in the book. Lucky it didn’t have a bigger impact on the game. Embarrassing for the league really.

sydthebeat

baaba maal wrote: »

I think I heard that 28 penalties were given in the game (can't check ESPN here)- that strikes me as overly officious officianating, given it wasn't a bad tempered match.

yeah according to ultimate rugby 28 penalties....

18 against Leinster, 10 against Edinburgh
13 against Leinster alone in their own half.

crisco10

baaba maal wrote: »

I think I heard that 28 penalties were given in the game (can't check ESPN here)- that strikes me as overly officious officianating, given it wasn't a bad tempered match.

A huge number of them were "technical" penalties at scrum time though. At one point toward the end of the first half, the last 8 (:eek:) scrums had been 6 x penalties and 2 completed.

Whitehouse simply had no control of the scrums.

baaba maal

Steve wrote: »

Didn't want to comment till I saw the match on telly.

I was there and heard all the boos for BW, totally unjustified imo, I think he reffed the match reasonably well.

Tomane's slide was a clear yellow, even in the stands I said that as others booed.

I don't agree with Bents YC though, nor many of the other scrum calls as the Scots were clearly tactically pulling them down.

I think I heard that 28 penalties were given in the game (can't check ESPN here)- that strikes me as overly officious officianating, given it wasn't a bad tempered match.

arsebiscuits1

Steve wrote: »

Didn't want to comment till I saw the match on telly.

I was there and heard all the boos for BW, totally unjustified imo, I think he reffed the match reasonably well.

Tomane's slide was a clear yellow, even in the stands I said that as others booed.

I don't agree with Bents YC though, nor many of the other scrum calls as the Scots were clearly tactically pulling them down.

A home crowd is always going to have some people booing whether it's right or wrong.

Upon reflection, I think Tomane probably should have seen yellow and this will hopefully send a message. But it leaves a bitter taste that we're the ones who have to deal with it having our players subjected to the knee slide more than our fair share

And a lot of people including myself were extremely frustrated at Whitehouses inconsistencies at scrum time. Schoeman was getting away with absolute murder right in front of Whitehouse and Dooley was similar on the opposite side.

Make 10000+ people sit for 10 minutes watching endless reset scrums on a chilly Friday night and you'll have a few people frustrated. I think that was where most of the booing was directed