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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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liamtech

Varta wrote: »

And the most frustrating for the EU. They bent over backwards to give the UK a new deal. Now the UK sets about doing its best to frustrate the passing of that deal. If Letwin succeeds the remainers will use it to attempt to destroy Johnson's deal. It's pure farce and I imagine the EU members are looking at it and thinking, "Ok, we gave them every opportunity and they are still Hell bent on messing about. Time to walk away and get on with running the EU."

Cant disagree with that - im aghast -

This is gonna be close

So from a remainer/soft-brexit/2ndRef pov, we need Letwin to pass

Headshot

Ian Blackford always speaks well and tearing Tories apart at the moment.

Also he's not happy Labour is not whipping against the Government Deal. Labour should kick out any MPs who vote for this deal

Harry Palmr

Blackford's speech is like one of those annoying hollywood blockbusters with 4 or 5 endings

Enzokk

ath262 wrote: »

Norman Foster BBC Asst. Pol. Ed. mentioned a little earlier on the blog that he thinks that Letwin may not pass.. some Labour and Tory rebels appear to the planning to vote against (or abstain)

I think there is a lot of pressure on Labour MPs to vote for this deal to just get it done. This will allow it to be done but the damage will continue. The sad thing is those people pressuring their MPs to vote for this deal will be upset with them for allowing Brexit to happen in the first place when reality hits them in a few years time.

As for Labour, if this goes through they will have a tough time with Corbyn going into the next election. I have no doubt they will be able to try and remind people of austerity but Johnson and Cummings will surely try to spin it as Labour trying to frustrate Brexit and delay the economic uplands that will follow. People will be stupid enough to buy this as well.

J Mysterio

Headshot wrote: »

Ian Blackford always speaks well and tearing Tories apart at the moment.

Also he's not happy Labour is not whipping against the Government Deal. Labour should kick out any MPs who vote for this deal

Corbyn's last effort at letting the government deliver Brexit then.

If you want remain or revoke, it's inexcusable not to exercise 'three line whip'

Joe_ Public

My god, i remember when caroline flint was one of the staunch remainers and that wasnt long ago. Now she's up on her feet, stabbing the air like an erg brexiteer and pouring vitriol on the EU. She must realise she is simply helping to prop up a tory hard brexit and potential future majority, very alarming and sad to witness.

CarPark2

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1185521219094962176

Loyalists threatening civil unrest.

Harry Palmr

How strangely comforting to hear Theresa May's voice!

Headshot

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How strangely comforting to hear Theresa May's voice!

I think she's probably one of the worse Tories there.

NotToScale

Do we have any idea what time a vote is likely to happen ?

Itssoeasy

Theresa May going full ahead with Boris Johnson it seems.

Joe_ Public

Word for word like every useless speech she's made over past 7-8 months. Nothing new to add whatsoever.

GM228

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How strangely comforting to hear Theresa May's voice!

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185531893770530816?s=19

Very true to be fair.

Interestingly she stands by BJ despite No.10 not wanting to speak to her apparently:-

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1185531625582616581?s=19

Headshot

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Theresa May going full ahead with Boris Johnson it seems.

Yap it's disgusting how she can support someone who stabbed them in the back

AllForIt

GM228 wrote: »

This is a pretty good point made, I would imagine the majority of UK citizens are under the impression that the WA if approved is Brexit done, little do they realise:-

https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/1185455746097373189?s=19

This point is made in the British media on a daily basis multiple times per day.

"Getting Brexit done" is obviously meant in the sense of the UK no longer being a member of the EU by the end of the month (which would be the case if the deal passes today which I think and hope it will) and puts to bed any possibility of Brexit not happening at all.

ath262

NotToScale wrote: »

Do we have any idea what time a vote is likely to happen ?

last I heard, the first vote likely after 14:30 - presumably on Letwin Amendment

Joe_ Public

I think theres somewhere in Theresa mays deluded mind that this is still HER brexit deal and so her legacy will be secure, just she wont get immediate credit for it. While it is essentially her deal in many respects, what a legacy to leave anyway, history books will not be kind.

Itssoeasy

Kenneth Clarke kind of talking a bit of sense.

Enzokk

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Theresa May going full ahead with Boris Johnson it seems.

Party over country, she will never ever put anything above the Conservatives.

Spanish Eyes

If this deal passes today, will Ireland after the transition period, be able to export/import via the UK land bridge?

joe40

CarPark2 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1185521219094962176

Loyalists threatening civil unrest.

They have their civil unrest every July... Nothing new there

Itssoeasy

Oh sammy Wilson is on his feet. He’s very red in the face.

Harry Palmr

Headshot wrote: »

I think she's probably one of the worse Tories there.

I was talking about her diction and clarity.

Oh look Sammy backing the Good Friday Agreement.

Strazdas

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

If this deal passes today, will Ireland after the transition period, be able to export/import via the UK land bridge?

Yes, but we've no idea if there will be tariffs post December-2020

Some analysts suspect Johnson might be planning No Deal for 2021

sjb25

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Oh sammy Wilson is on his feet. He’s very red in the face.

He’s knickers are in a twist alright

Itssoeasy

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I was talking about her diction and clarity.

Oh look Sammy backing the Good Friday Agreement.

21 years late.

Headshot

Sammy Wilson again

God he's a deplorable MP who and his loyalist ilk deserve every pain they get from this deal.

They voted for Brexit they're getting their just deserts

I still believe there's still some hope of a 2nd referendum on Brexit but if this deal does go ahead It will fill me with joy seeing the DUP getting what they deserve. It will be a thing of beauty.

PropJoe10

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Kenneth Clarke kind of talking a bit of sense.

Ken is always on the money. He's not happy with this deal, that's for sure!

FrancieBrady

Is that a bible in Sammy's hand?

Itssoeasy

The DUP and conservatives love affair is certainly over.