LeinsterDub wrote: » Fundamentally the EU want the UK to stay. I can see an extension till at least January being accepted. Let them have their GE and see how the chips lie then
Joe_ Public wrote: » Merkel quoted this mornings papers saying they will very likely give extension. That all but settles issue for me really.
Pedro K wrote: » I feel like a broken record in this thread asking this yet again, but does anybody know what time the big votes are to be? Thanks in advance.
CelticRambler wrote: » Just listening to Johnson's statement to the House (am a little bit behind). So many references to "our European friends" - five or six, so far - when only a few weeks ago he was ranting about "surrender" to these same Europeans. It's also striking how the Johnson (and others) are talking about this as an "excellent" deal. Any normal person would recognise that after three years of difficult negotiations, the resulting deal would rarely be better than "satisfactory" or "the best that could realistically be expected". The attitude on the EU side comes across as more genuine. Whenever anyone tries to pass something off as "great" or "excellent" you can usually be sure that there's something dodgy about it ...
J Mysterio wrote: » Its unclear, it could be late into the evening. After 5, 6 even
correct horse battery staple wrote: » https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/19/one-way-explain-nigel-farages-behaviour-becoming-remainer/ Brexiteers are turning on each other now as predicted by me in earlier iterations of the thread. The only thing brexiteers can agree on is that the want to leave, but the gulf between left and right (and Russian owned useful idiots) is so wide as to what Brexit means and how to achieve it, 3 years later on those divides are still there.
NotToScale wrote: » Unfortunately, those rabble rousers will likely find some other rabble to rouse. I would say if this does conclude with the UK leaving, they will jump onto a similar agenda to Donald Trump across a range of extreme deregulation type issues dressed up with a bit of tabloid populism.
GM228 wrote: » And I believe Macron was quoted yesterday as saying there will be no extension, but I tend to go with Merkel, her statement would carry more weight I think.
GM228 wrote: » Why is it fantasy that the EU would want to avoid a no deal? It's in nobody's interest to have no deal.
correct horse battery staple wrote: » https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/19/one-way-explain-nigel-farages-behaviour-becoming-remainer/ Brexiteers are turning on each other now as predicted by me in earlier iterations of the thread.
McGuinness warned that unionists could turn against Westminster in the way that Scots have done in recent years because of the feeling that London doesn’t care about them. “I think there are a lot of people here beginning to feel the same, and depending on how this negotiation goes that trend will accelerate over the next couple of years.
KildareP wrote: » It’s starting to eat into EU time, money and focus. Once you have to start implementing new budgets, plans, votes on future direction of the EU, the half-in/half-out status of the UK increases uncertainty. Possibly even makes things legally uncertain or difficult. And if there’s realistically nothing to be gained by indefinite extensions, with no hope the UK will ever find a common path forward so long as they have the comfort of an extension and/or revoke at any time, then at some point you have to brace and take the hit in order to draw a line and move on. Even a definite “that’s it lads” will focus minds - in much the same way the UK argued the threat of No Deal would focus the EU’s.
Itssoeasy wrote: » Oh god. Boris just said he hopes that labour will join them in the lobbies “later tonight”
Oafley Jones wrote: » Surprised to see so much available seating in the Commons!
Joe_ Public wrote: » Theres no way EU would give up on thia without seeing how a referendum or GE would change things. They'd like a deal but knew even when they were concludinf it that it would have trouble in the house. They are realists and diplomats, especially macron. Doing things because they are fed up or frustrated is not in the dna. They do what is right - which is almost certainly an extension, maybe even a long one - and play the long game.
GM228 wrote: » This is a pretty good point made, I would imagine the majority of UK citizens are under the impression that the WA if approved is Brexit done, little do they realise:-https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/1185455746097373189?s=19
Varta wrote: » Honestly, I think you are projecting your own belief onto the EU. There may well be EU members who now believe that the 'right' thing to do is to move on without the UK. Some of the newer EU members are quite a distance from the UK in many respects and are wondering what the fuss is about.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Its just how the EU operates that ive seen, years and years doing trade deals, however long it takes to dot every i and cross every t. A slogan like "get brexit done" would be silly to them. Of course, there are EU members that would probably be ok with jettisoning uk asap, but they are a minority and wont rock the boat. Not yet anyway. Pragmatism rules, i dont know is that wishful thinking but its way i believe things are.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Oh dear, that's not how you build consensus.
