Thirdfox wrote: » Some small change at the top:https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/12/boeing-removes-ceo-as-chairman-amid-737-max-crisis So CEO is still CEO, but no longer chairman. Though in these cases - I think it's still rarely just one person at the top that changes the culture of a company completely - plenty of people would need to be happy with the direction a company goes in before they change course. See the protests by google employees (and backtracking by Google) when Google tries to do things some people regard as against the company's "values".
Nijmegen wrote: » https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-boeing-exclusive-idUSKBN1WX25G Hello smoking gun? Their shares are nosediving as messages between Boeing employees during the MAX certification process have come to light. I can see some people going to prison at this stage.
Damien360 wrote: » Boeing plummeting would effect the US economy and there isn’t a hope in hell of that being allowed to happen. Trump will not allow it. As bad as it is, nobody is going to jail.
cnocbui wrote: » VW were fined $30 Billion for fudging some CO2 measurements. If Boeing even gets $3 B in fines for killing hundreds of people, I will be very surprised. Yes, I'm a cynic.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » It was NOx and it has a significant effect on human health.Study: Volkswagen’s excess emissions will lead to 1,200 premature deaths in Europe You are probably right about Boeing getting a slap on the wrist however - and I'd have to say that the fact it was two non-US airlines which crashed a long way away is part of that.
mickdw wrote: » Ya it was nox but not deemed as important as co2 seeing as that is what they chose to tax us on here. The old green bullsh1t more important than direct health effects as usual.
cnocbui wrote: » At the time that genius Gormley tipped the tax table to ensure this country got a near 100% diesel car fleet, it was known that a Japanese scientist had isolated a chemical from diesel emissions that proved on testing to be the most powerful carcinogen ever discovered. I knew this when Gormley was doing his thing, no excuse for him and the civil servants who are supposed to advise him to have not known that.
dogmatix wrote: » Near 100% diesel car fleet? Most powerful carcinogen ever discovered? Over the top claims like these need some sort of credible link to be ever taken seriously. Otherwise the above post really belongs in the green party thrashing thread and/or motor forums. Or even the after hours conspiracy theory forum. Back to the 737 max: an interesting article of the threat the 737 max presents to the future of 737 only Southwest airlines. And Ryanair too potentially?https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/23/20927213/boeing-737-max-southwest-planes-crash-budget-airlines-grounded-cost-maintenance
From REUTERS LONDON (Reuters) - Japanese scientists suspect that a chemical found in the exhaust fumes of diesel engines may be the most carcinogenic ever found, and the cause of a rise in urban lung cancers, the New Scientist magazine said Thursday. The compound, 3-nitrobenzanthrone, had the highest ever score on a standard test for cancer-causing potential of toxic chemicals. It also caused chromosomal aberrations in the blood cells of mice. "I personally believe that the recent increase in the number of lung cancer patients in vehicle-congested areas is closely linked with respirable carcinogens such as 3-nitrobenzanthrone," said Hitomi Suzuki, a chemist at Kyoto University, who conducted the study. When Suzuki tested the compound on a strain of salmonella he found that if caused more mutations than 1.6 dinitropyrene, the previous most powerful known mutagen. Although both compounds are found only in minute quantites, they are so dangerous that "it is easily understandable that they would contribute considerably to the total mutagenic activity of diesel exhaust particle extracts," Suzuki added. He called for stronger limits on the loads that diesel trucks can carry because there are more emissions from engines under heavier loads.
3-Nitrobenzanthrone (3-nitro-7H-benz[de]anthracen-7-one) is a chemical compound emitted in diesel exhaust; it is a potent carcinogen.[2] It produced the highest score ever reported in the Ames test, a standard measure of the cancer-causing potential of toxic chemicals, far greater than the previous known strongest (1,8-dinitropyrene, which is also found in diesel exhaust).[3]
dogmatix wrote: » Back to the 737 max: an interesting article of the threat the 737 max presents to the future of 737 only Southwest airlines. And Ryanair too potentially?
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Slowing their expansion isn't what anybody outside of clickbait "journalism" would call a threat to their future
cnocbui wrote: » Whoops, yes, NOX. I wasn't trying to downplay the seriousness of NOX, however, the fine was in the US, where diesel cars are far fewer in number as a proportion of the total so aerial concentrations are likely lower than in European cities. The estimate of premature deaths from NOX in the US, attributable to VW cheat emissions is 59. So Boeing should be fined about $79 B proportionately.
Henry Ford III wrote: » The Max saga keeps on giving and giving. The fundamental issue with the 737 - the engines are sitting too low - won't go away without a major redesign. Essentially a new plane. I think that's exactly what Boeing should do. It would be an enormous cost but I can't ever see confidence returning to the 737 Max regardless of whatever electronic trickery they wheel out.
cnocbui wrote: » They won't be scrapping the Max, the fix will get regulatory approval and they will all be flying again after that. The amount of money involved is far too large to be putting safety first. Trump has wound back and neutered every regulatory oversight of commerce you can think of. The FAA won't be allowed to harm Boeing.
Turbulent Bill wrote: » I was booking some flights using Kanoo Travel (business travel service) recently. Every flight search had a popup saying the MAX was not in service at the airlines they book (or words to that effect). Thought it was interesting that the issues are now publicised enough that they felt the popup was necessary. On top of the re-certification, Boeing will have a serious PR job to do with the travelling public.
Henry Ford III wrote: » Yes that'll probably happen ok. I did say "should" and not "would" btw. p.s. If another one goes down after getting it's certification back though it's curtains for the 737 Max imho.
L1011 wrote: » NG production has officially ended, only the KLM mistake frame (and some military varients) is left to be made. Would be slightly embarrassing to resume sales and production
Damien360 wrote: » In what timeframe ? 2 years later ? Then they can deflect and look for other causes. I get the impression that if only one plane had crashed with this fault, they would still be unsure. Remember Boeing tried unsuccessfully to blame the foreign pilots. I agree it will fly again but it might be US only for a timeframe to assure other nations.
