munstermagic11 wrote: » They were last time as well. How did those votes go?
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Seems there might be some truth to it.https://twitter.com/markdevenport/status/1184791671327936513 According to the UK government there will be an alternative process if Stormont isn't sitting. Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but it sounds like if unionists have the numbers to get to the 46 majority mark in Stormont in a future election then they would have the potential to determine what happens, even if Stormont were to be brought down again?
Joe_ Public wrote: » We are really specifically talking about the 19 lab mps who wrote to Johnson recently outlining their case for a deal. Obviously it's only speculation as to how many will cave but if Johnson is relying on them then he has merely an outside chsnce. Think that much is fairly clear.
Varta wrote: » I think you are taking an ideological stance. It is a fact that a huge number of Labour constituencies are pro brexit. Objectively, this could be a deciding factor.
MadYaker wrote: » So that’s where we are then? What are the numbers in parliament looking like in terms of getting enough votes and when’s a vote likely to happen? I can’t keep up with this in work.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Talk of 15 to 18 Labour MPs I think, the band of Rebel Tories meeting later today.
farmchoice wrote: » the only resistance that might have collapsed was the DUP's and it hasn't, this repeated claim by the right wing media that there are a load of labour mp's about to defect to supporting boris johnson's deal is based on nothing only wishful thinking there is zero evidence for it.
LuckyLloyd wrote: » I do not see that in the text
6. The alternative process referred to in paragraph 5 will make provision for democratic consent to be provided by Members of the Legislative Assembly if the majority of the Members of the Legislative Assembly, present and voting, vote in favour of the continued application of Articles 5 to 10 of the Protocol on Northern Ireland and Ireland in a vote specifically arranged for this purpose. This alternative process will also provide for the United Kingdom Government to be notified of the outcome of the consent process.
Varta wrote: » I really believe it's different this time. Their backs are to the wall. Brexit is rolling. It was stuck in the mud under May, the one thing Johnson has done is to give it momentum. It's a bit like protesters blocking the path of a stopped truck compared to trying to block the path of a moving truck. As silly and juvenile as his cajoling and enthusiasm sounded, it does seem to have worked. It's end game now and resistance in the HoC could collapse.
Rjd2 wrote: » Nigel does not want Brexit as without it he becomes irrelevant. He needs this to drag on and he can shout betrayal and promise ponies for all if was in charge of Brexit.
LeinsterDub wrote: » I've no problem with his position in fact I think it's very reasonable. My issue is that it's taken him 3 and a half years to get to this point via several detours. How are we to know if this is the final destination or just the latest detour?
farmchoice wrote: » in fairness its fairly easy to predict want they will do as we have a long list of there previous votes on this matter obivioulsy until they cast their vote or actually say what they are going to do its just that a prediction. but based on all previous votes and the political dynamic as it stands a i predict no more then 5 labour votes against and perhaps another 3/5 abstentions.
Joe_ Public wrote: » Yes that is correct. But with a referendum amendment that changes things. His cabinet are pushing heavily for the public vote so I think it's reasonable he compromises to that position. Don't see the problem if he does.
dancingwith wrote: » Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) The commitment to regulatory alignment in this agreement means that the “new deal” is not Brexit, despite improvements on the customs union.
LeinsterDub wrote: » His position or at least one of them was no to Tory brexit. Labour brexit deal and referendum.
Varta wrote: » The thing is, all MPs in the HoC knew that their backs weren't really to the wall when May was trying to get her deal through. Now, it's different. I'm not saying that they will come out and support this deal, I'm saying that it is impossible to predict what they will do. Unless of course he already has confirmation from them.
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » So this deal makes it crystal clear that brexit is an English Brexit. From that perspective its a better deal as it gets England out of the EU, solves the NI issue and is way better than no deal.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/1184733217905168384 This sounds worrying from our point of view. Has this been confirmed?
Joe_ Public wrote: » In fairness hasn't that always been the basic position? Only tweak now is they'll be pushing for an amendment to get it on the bill.
Joe_ Public wrote: » On what basis should he support it?
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » He would need at least 10 Labour leavers and all of the Conservatives, current and former, to back it. Not sure even that would be enough. 326 is the magic number they say. He'd probably need 20 Labour Leavers to be certain, if there is that many.
Rjd2 wrote: » A Lib Dem suggested to Boris last month that any deal Boris brought back she vote for it if she could get a guarantee of a referendum on it in a few months. I actually thought that was a fair compromise,,if Corbyn was to adopt such a policy rather than I'd say fair play.
LeinsterDub wrote: » Jeremy Corbyn has adopted his latest flavour of the week position on brexit. He's now calling for it to be put to a referendum
darem93 wrote: » Every time he opens his mouth with this sort of stuff he backs himself further into a corner. It's going to look even worse when he has to go back on his word when he's faced with the reality of the situation.
