mcmoustache wrote: » Did Johnson cause a load of fuss over the last few months just to accept a worse deal than May's WA?
Joe_ Public wrote: » On what basis should he support it?
Varta wrote: » That presumes that the entire opposition is opposed to Brexit, which is not the case. Many Labour MPs are from staunch Brexit constituencies.
Joe_ Public wrote: » If they go 2nd ref route they're basically ensuring Johnson stays in power for next 5-6 months at a minimum. It's one disincentive against it.
Enzokk wrote: » He has no majority, what can he possibly do in those 5-6 months?
Beechwoodspark wrote: » So is boris resigned to losing the HOC vote? I mean, on face value, Arlene and co are saying no. So he can’t get it through. What’s his motive?
Hurrache wrote: » Seems like the backstop has changed slightly and is no longer what it used to be The ERG and others main sticking point, or so they claimed, was with the backstop. So when push comes to shove on Saturday, based on their own arguments, they shouldn't be voting against this on the basis that the backstop is antidemocratic.
farmchoice wrote: » there are a number of labour mp's who will probably vote for this deal but there are probably as many ex tory mp's who will vote against. if the dup dont vote for it a number of erg members will also vote against it. chances are it will lose by approx 30 votes
Tea Shock wrote: » I wouldn’t even be surprised if the DUP rowing in against the deal is all part of a stage managed bulshyte parade
Enzokk wrote: » That ship has sailed a long time ago. There will need to be a extension, whatever happens. I think that much is clear and he is probably hoping by getting a deal done and agreed by parliament would negate the damage a little of that extension. But his pronouncements will be hurting him on this with the Brexit Party. As for the negotiations, this is a interesting thread.https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/1184707928126869504?s=20https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/1184707931708821510?s=20https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/status/1184707937396314113?s=20 So the EU has moved on the immovable lines, where it was said they wouldn't move or compromise further. But this is a good thing as the EU isn't always right and in a negotiation there has to be give on both parties. If the EU was really this EU superstate it wouldn't have been able to move in the first place so this is actually a good thing, even if we don't get all that we wanted. The main positives for the EU are, It’s equally true that the EU has: ☑️Succeeded in protecting the open border in Ireland ☑️Remained united ☑️Showed small states they have considerable power through pooled sovereignty ☑️Stuck to its red lines on cherry picking So while there will be some unhappiness on the ground we gave, there was always going to need to be some give and take to get a deal and in the end we wanted to avoid no-deal as much as possible.
Enzokk wrote: » His problem now is this deal will be his to take into a new election. This will be it, he will have to fight a election not on unicorns but on what he has negotiated, which will contain enough ammunition for Farage and Labour I think. He is still in a corner, only he seems to have dumped the DUP and lost MP's to the Lib Dems as well so not going for an election is not possible as he doesn't have a majority. He seems to have moved from one corner to another.
Sleety_Rain wrote: » Boris knows he would win large majority if goes to people having this deal as would attract the crucial middle ground.
Varta wrote: » I think there are far more pro-Brexit Labour MPs than are being counted. They are between a rock and a hard place: vote with their heart/constituency and lose the Labour nomination next election or vote against their constituency and lose anyway. That makes it very difficult to predict which way they will go. As I said many months ago, the UK is now like a gangrenous limb attached to the EU, and although Brexit is possibly the worst political decision in recent history, they simply have to go.
Johnny Dogs wrote: » Not this shyte again.
Bambi wrote: » Bertie qualifies as both deluded and disingenuous
We're going to put the existence of one of the main principles of the Good Friday Agreement in the hands of Stormont and Stormont alone. Without requiring the consent of the British or Irish Governments or the people of Ireland, North and South, Stormont could put a hard border on this Island. All on the basis of "Shur, what are the chances of it actually happening.
dancingwith wrote: » Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) NEW: Am told by govt source that Johnson will tell EU leaders that it’s this deal or no deal - but no delays. He will not ask for a extension and will not accept one if offered :pac:
farmchoice wrote: » well if there are only a handful (3) of them voted for the last brexit deal so unless another 12/15 at least are now going to appear it make no difference
Joe_ Public wrote: » The Labour leavers have consistently said they'd back a deal that included the concessions suggested in the cross party talks last march/April so they would be seriously compromisising themselves if they caved now.
