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Poppy to become more inclusive

Treppen

Will this appease people who are anxious about the Poppy promoting the atrocities up the North?

It includes civilians who were killed now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/15/red-poppy-used-remember-civilian-victims-for-first-time

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[Deleted User]

I wonder will those who decried the white poppy refuse to buy this one now? Will there be people wearing this poppy at the marches in support of Soldier F??

MrAbyss

Always gave me the creeps (looks like a bullet hole) and south of Ireland people who wore it were always **** talking about something called 'the fallen' in a fake, dramatic tone.

corner of hells

MrAbyss wrote: »

Always gave me the creeps (looks like a bullet hole) and south of Ireland people who wore it were always **** talking about something called 'the fallen' in a fake, dramatic tone.

Easy there , you're new round these parts.

Give a few more posts and we'll see posters apocalyptic with rage posting from both points of view.

lawred2

Treppen wrote: »

Or maybe the Irish have matured and accepted the Poppy for what it is , rather than being an anti-Irish thing.

Matured? lol

That's some cheap bait you've got there.

Treppen

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Matured? What a condescending comment. The Poppy still predominantly is associated with benefiting the British legion an organisation devoted to helping former British soldiers several of whom murdered innocent civilians in the north and elsewhere. A few cuddly feely press releases won't change the facts.

In fairness though if it weren't for the Brits (including Irish who fought) we'd be under a different type of Europe thanks to Hitler.

And ya, soldiers did horrible things... The same way Irish soldiers did horrible things to 'the natives' when they were on peace keeping missions... Only just a few years ago. Didn't mean the whole Army are bad, or the peace keeping mission was bad.

False Prophet

Treppen wrote: »

In fairness though if it weren't for the Brits (including Irish who fought) we'd be under a different type of Europe thanks to Hitler.

And ya, soldiers did horrible things... The same way Irish soldiers did horrible things to 'the natives' when they were on peace keeping missions... Only just a few years ago. Didn't mean the whole Army are bad, or the peace keeping mission was bad.

It was the Russians that beat the Germans not the Brits, and then the Americans that prevented the russians invading the rest of europe.
The brits only cared about its empire, why Churchill wasted so much resources in Africa.

end of the road

Treppen wrote: »

In fairness though if it weren't for the Brits (including Irish who fought) we'd be under a different type of Europe thanks to Hitler.

And ya, soldiers did horrible things... The same way Irish soldiers did horrible things to 'the natives' when they were on peace keeping missions... Only just a few years ago. Didn't mean the whole Army are bad, or the peace keeping mission was bad.

all of that is ultimately irrelevant. world war 2 was over 70 years ago, and even then britain was only 1 part of it. they weren't even really responsible for hitler being defeated.

James Brown

Let anyone who wants to buy it, buy it. Trying to get decent folk on board is pointless. It is what it is. What's next LGBTQ rainbow themed swastikas?

Plumbthedepths

Treppen wrote: »

In fairness though if it weren't for the Brits (including Irish who fought) we'd be under a different type of Europe thanks to Hitler.
BS, if it weren't for the Soviets the British were f**ked.
And ya, soldiers did horrible things... The same way Irish soldiers did horrible things to 'the natives' when they were on peace keeping missions... Only just a few years ago. Didn't mean the whole Army are bad, or the peace keeping mission was bad.

You'll have to refresh my memory who were the civilians the Irish army murdered?

Quantum Erasure

lawred2 wrote: »

Matured? lol

That's some cheap bait you've got there.

and yet...

Capt'n Midnight

The Peace Pledge Union's White Poppy has been around since 1933.

alchemist33

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the annual poppy threads start earlier and earlier every year.

And the posters seem younger. Must be getting old

end of the road

Treppen wrote: »

Child abuse

and i would bet the rifraff who committed such child abuse were dealt with. out on their arse, off to jail, and everyone informed that they are a disgrace to the army and to the irish people.
unlike the british ones who murdered civilians in cold blood, who were protected and rewarded and hailed as heroes.
absolutely disgusting and shameful to compare the irish army to them. at least the irish army take responsibility when criminality happens within it.

suicide_circus

"more inclusive" = marketing

FrancieBrady

Treppen wrote: »

In fairness though if it weren't for the Brits (including Irish who fought) we'd be under a different type of Europe thanks to Hitler.

.

I thought Hitler beat the British back into Britain to await significant others to come to the rescue of Europe?

Your Face

Treppen wrote: »

Or maybe the Irish have matured and accepted the Poppy for what it is , rather than being an anti-Irish thing.

You must have quoted my post by mistake as your post has nothing to do with mine.

ohnonotgmail

alchemist33 wrote: »

And the posters seem younger. Must be getting old

I remember when all this was just fields.

sligojoek

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I remember when all this was just fields.

Poppy fields??

blinding

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I thought Hitler beat the British back into Britain to await significant others to come to the rescue of Europe?

Russian Blood and American Money were probably the two most significant assets in beating the Germans .

American Equipment ( given to the Russians ) especially Trucks were hugely important in beating the Germans .

Edgware

False Prophet wrote: »

It was the Russians that beat the Germans not the Brits, and then the Americans that prevented the russians invading the rest of europe.
The brits only cared about its empire, why Churchill wasted so much resources in Africa.

How many Russians died on Normandy beach?
Get a history book and dont be relying on your anti British bull****

evil_seed

Is it that time of year again?

Plumbthedepths

Edgware wrote: »

How many Russians died on Normandy beach?
Get a history book and dont be relying on your anti British bull****

I'm guessing the same number of British that died on the Eastern front.

[Deleted User]

Edgware wrote: »

How many Russians died on Normandy beach?
Get a history book and dont be relying on your anti British bull****

I wouldn't bother, its little more than trolling from the usual few.

FrancieBrady

Edgware wrote: »

How many Russians died on Normandy beach?
Get a history book and dont be relying on your anti British bull****

The point is - The British alone did not 'save' Europe, like everyone else in Europe they were defeated and routed and forced to retreat by the Germans.

They were certainly a part of an 'Allied' effort to 'save Europe' though.

sbsquarepants

It's not trolling - the british hugely over estimate their role in defeating the nazis. To listen to some of them you'd swear churchill rolled up his sleeves and beat them himself, just like Rambo beat the Russians that time.

It's nothing more than the old history being written by the victors thing - the Germans ruthlessly bombed a brave stoic civilian population in the blitz, the brits courageously firebombed Dresden thus ridding the world of the scurge of nazism.

The British army is not deserving of any respect, for centuries it's been a genocidal wealth grab and not much else. From the occupation of our own country to the rape of Africa and Asia to the oil grab wars in the middle east, it's as evil an organisation as you're likely to find anywhere, and that era is not in the past, it's very much still acting the bollox all over the world.

Fúck them and their poppies!

[Deleted User]

sbsquarepants wrote: »

It's not trolling - the british hugely over estimate their role in defeating the nazis. To listen to some of them you'd swear churchill rolled up his sleeves and beat them himself, just like Rambo beat the Russians that time.

Listen to some on here and they think the British did nothing.

Britain played a significant role in defeating Nazi Germany, that is a simple fact.

Plumbthedepths

Aegir wrote: »

Listen to some on here and they think the British did nothing.
They played their part.
Britain played a significant role in defeating Nazi Germany, that is a simple fact.

The Russians by shear weight of numbers both in terms of men and materials played a far larger role than the British.

FrancieBrady

Aegir wrote: »

Listen to some on here and they think the British did nothing.

Britain played a significant role in defeating Nazi Germany, that is a simple fact.

franciebrady wrote:

They were certainly a part of an 'Allied' effort to 'save Europe' though.

Yes, and that credit is freely given. They were a part of the effort to defeat Nazism.

What they really need to do (the Mark Francois's and others (if the cap fits etc)) is realise that everyone sacrificed to defeat the Germans and that nobody 'owes' the British for saving them.

Because expecting a payback on that imaginary debt is always going to disappoint. (See current events.)

ohnonotgmail

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, and that credit is freely given. They were a part of the effort to defeat Nazism.

What they really need to do (the Mark Francois's and others (if the cap fits etc)) is realise that everyone sacrificed to defeat the Germans and that nobody 'owes' the British for saving them.

Because expecting a payback on that imaginary debt is always going to disappoint. (See current events.)

while everybody sacrificed some sacrificed significantly more. deaths on the british side are measured in 100s of thousands. deaths on the russian side are measured in millions.

[Deleted User]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, and that credit is freely given. They were a part of the effort to defeat Nazism.

What they really need to do (the Mark Francois's and others (if the cap fits etc)) is realise that everyone sacrificed to defeat the Germans and that nobody 'owes' the British for saving them.

Because expecting a payback on that imaginary debt is always going to disappoint. (See current events.)

who said anything about people owing the British anything?