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Ireland Versus New Zealand Build Up Thread

andymx11

Thought this deserves a thread of its own - starting on a less than ideal note... Rumours Sexton is out

To get a coffee.

What did we tell the Irish management team about letting him out of their sight?

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andymx11

andymx11 wrote: »

My bad I thought he tweeted something but can’t find it therefore I guess you are correct!

Based on subsequent posts I take this back.....

Former Former

prawnsambo wrote: »

He said it in an interview. I heard it. But I can't remember what show the interview was on. Thought it was OTB, but not bored enough to go searching through their pods. It wasn't an outright "got it wrong" statement, more of a "possibly might not make the same decision now" kind of thing.

See, if he did say that, it would have been a big story. Other media outlets would have re-reported it with the most sensationalist headlines they could think of. It would have been seized upon in a big way. It would certainly be getting a massive airing this week now that he's been appointed for the quarter-final.

But the only place I have ever seen it mentioned is on boards.ie.

That doesn't really stack up.

prawnsambo

Former Former wrote: »

See, if he did say that, it would have been a big story. Other media outlets would have re-reported it with the most sensationalist headlines they could think of. It would have been seized upon in a big way. It would certainly be getting a massive airing this week now that he's been appointed for the quarter-final.

But the only place I have ever seen it mentioned is on boards.ie.

That doesn't really stack up.

I can't answer that. Except to say that Google is not the perfect search engine it likes to think it is. But you have two people here who say they heard the same thing and you think that's trumped by not being able to search it out?

kuang1

Personally, I'd be questioning any of my own posts that are thanked by Yeah_right this week.

(Don't you ****ing do it Yeah_right... Don't you ****ing do it!)

kuang1

D'oh!

blackwhite

Former Former wrote: »

See, if he did say that, it would have been a big story. Other media outlets would have re-reported it with the most sensationalist headlines they could think of. It would have been seized upon in a big way. It would certainly be getting a massive airing this week now that he's been appointed for the quarter-final.

But the only place I have ever seen it mentioned is on boards.ie.

That doesn't really stack up.

He did a lunch up at DLSP not long after the interview and was asked about it. Gave a similar answer there. ”Difficult decision at the time, not sure I’d make the same call now” kind of thing.

flatface

There is no shame in losing to the All Blacks in a World Cup. Go out with a big performance and we can say we were beaten fair and square by (soon to be seen) the best team in the world. No big disgrace and Joe is still a hero given his record and the respect the team, media and fans have for him.

But if we win? By god immortality awaits! The players know this, one epic performance and they make a huge print across history. It’s amongst the biggest games in the history of Irish rugby and we have to live for these moments.
For NZ we are Japan, a potential banana skin on the way to the next 2 games. They are under pressure to not slip up but we can have that Japan fire of nothing to lose in our belly.

I hope the pressure is now off the team and management to dream big now, go in with an underdog mentality, to defy the odds with a once in a lifetime performance, grand swan song for many and win.

This is not a time for reason but for pashun

AbusesToilets

andymx11 wrote: »

He admitted he was wrong to give a penalty

Warning Graphic content

https://youtu.be/XBw7NaUk2dw

Such a a **** call against McGrath, ruck was clearly won at the point, with the ball at Murrays feet. he falls over and Owens blows it up. Preceded by blatant sealing off by NZ at the previous ruck, right in front of Owens.

Heres Johnny

blackwhite wrote: »

He did a lunch up at DLSP not long after the interview and was asked about it. Gave a similar answer there. ”Difficult decision at the time, not sure I’d make the same call now” kind of thing.

He did a talk in my rugby club too and I distinctly remember him saying he didn't make a mistake and he stands over his decision.
Not that it makes any difference anyway.
Ireland backing off and allowing new Zealand to come hard at us was to blame, not the ref.
That was before the day's play continued if a penalty was kicked to touch as far as I remember.
We should have killed that attack dead by fair or foul, I know of a team in black that would have done anything in their power to preserve that lead.
Anyway, 6 years ago and irrelevant now, can't stand people blaming refs. I don't allow anyone on the team I play on to ever blame a ref after a defeat. If you lose, you didn't do enough to win

andymx11

Heres Johnny wrote: »

He did a talk in my rugby club too and I distinctly remember him saying he didn't make a mistake and he stands over his decision.
Not that it makes any difference anyway.
Ireland backing off and allowing new Zealand to come hard at us was to blame, not the ref.
That was before the day's play continued if a penalty was kicked to touch as far as I remember.
We should have killed that attack dead by fair or foul, I know of a team in black that would have done anything in their power to preserve that lead.
Anyway, 6 years ago and irrelevant now, can't stand people blaming refs. I don't allow anyone on the team I play on to ever blame a ref after a defeat. If you lose, you didn't do enough to win

There’s a difference between blaming a ref for loosing (which people aren’t doing here) and calling out a ref for a bad call.

NeonWolf

Apparently Codie Taylor starts at hooker.

Retallick starts.

ALB and Goodhue in centres

Ben smith dropped from bench for Jordie Barrett.

Internet rumour from source that correctly predicted all other NZ starting line ups.

andymx11

NeonWolf wrote: »

Apparently Codie Taylor starts at hooker.

Retallick starts.

ALB and Goodhue in centres

Ben smith dropped from bench for Jordie Barrett.

Internet rumour from source that correctly predicted all other NZ starting line ups.

Meh... beatable

AbusesToilets

This NZ is definitely beatable, not a patch on previous iterations. Weak in the backrow, 10, centres. Pretty green wings. Retallick just back from a nasty injury.

I think Joe has been molding this Irish team with an intent to beat NZ in the WC, and if they can play to their ability, they've a good chance. Consider how far we've come along under him, to where NZ legitimately have to worry about beating us.

Neil3030

How absolutely class was Ben Smith in the phases leading up to the try I still can't talk about. Not just the yards he made when absolutely any error would end the game (he must have been like trying to tackle an eel), but the immediate intensity he showed after winning the penalty demonstrates the ruthless "it's never over" attitude that won them the game. Great example of the belief that coursed through that team, who were, in my opinion, the last truly great All Blacks side (through to the RWC final in 2015). Reckon we'll ever see them get back to those heights? The rugby world certainly seems to have closed the gap.

NeonWolf

AbusesToilets wrote: »

This NZ is definitely beatable, not a patch on previous iterations. Weak in the backrow, 10, centres. Pretty green wings. Retallick just back from a nasty injury.

I think Joe has been molding this Irish team with an intent to beat NZ in the WC, and if they can play to their ability, they've a good chance. Consider how far we've come along under him, to where NZ legitimately have to worry about beating us.

Can be looked at lots of ways. We now live in a world where Ben Smith ,Rieko Ioane,Coles and SBW can't get a start in a game.

If true its a case of one coach sticking with yesterdays men in your Best's and O Mahoneys vs a coach giving a chance to young blood.

AbusesToilets

NeonWolf wrote: »

Can be looked at lots of ways. We now live in a world where Ben Smith ,Rieko Ioane,Coles and SBW can't get a start in a game.

If true its a case of one coach sticking with yesterdays men in your Best's and O Mahoneys vs a coach giving a chance to young blood.

Agree to an extent. I do think Joe has leaned too far towards conservatism with his selections, perhaps more so with respect to selecting players to fit a less expansive style of play.

Other way to look at it re: NZ, is that the above mentioned are over the hill, not being in great form, but that doesn't necessarily mean their replacements are at the same level as them in previous years. We'll see soon enough. NZ have always been ruthless with their backs selections, every year there's a new hotness tearing it up in the back 3.

PTH2009

Really looking forward to this

The script didnt have this game down to be this early. Dont think this AB team will be rusty

This is one of those games which every single thing needs to go right for us and could be the greatest win in our rugby history

Boscoirl

Utah_Saint wrote: »

.They've used a picture of CJ Stander for Larmour..

That’s just a sign of their knowledge of rugby

Former Former

Utah_Saint wrote: »

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12277103

At least NZ finally have a bit of respect for us after two recent wins......They've used a picture of CJ Stander for Larmour..

Reminds me of that Kiwi journalist in a press conference in 2016 (I think):

"So Rory, what will be the big challenge going head to head against Dane Coles?"
"Umm, I'll ask Rory when I see him, I'm Jack McGrath"

The Rape of Lucretia

NeonWolf wrote: »

If true its a case of one coach sticking with yesterdays men in your Best's and O Mahoneys vs a coach giving a chance to young blood.

This is why Joe is just smarter than the average bear. He knows that the qf of a wc is no place to be taking or giving chances.
He is joest so in control its awesome. Prepare to have your mind blow by the power plays, and the ABs attempts to contain them, on Saturday. It will be like watching the rugby version of Kasparov against Topalov in 1999.
Im just really stoked that the WC is finally kicking off now after all the build up.

NeonWolf

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Agree to an extent. I do think Joe has leaned too far towards conservatism with his selections, perhaps more so with respect to selecting players to fit a less expansive style of play.

Other way to look at it re: NZ, is that the above mentioned are over the hill, not being in great form, but that doesn't necessarily mean their replacements are at the same level as them in previous years. We'll see soon enough. NZ have always been ruthless with their backs selections, every year there's a new hotness tearing it up in the back 3.

It's the reason why 49 tries is the Allblack try scoring record. They send wingers to the knackers yard without a second thought.

I think Beauden Barrrett could become the top try scorer if he sticks around.
He's currently on 34. Barrett already has 80 caps.

As an aside, my favourite player ever Christian Cullen had 46 tries in 60 games which is outrageous although Howlett got 49 in 63. 3 more tries in 3 more games.

NeonWolf

Neil3030 wrote: »

How absolutely class was Ben Smith in the phases leading up to the try I still can't talk about. Not just the yards he made when absolutely any error would end the game (he must have been like trying to tackle an eel), but the immediate intensity he showed after winning the penalty demonstrates the ruthless "it's never over" attitude that won them the game. Great example of the belief that coursed through that team, who were, in my opinion, the last truly great All Blacks side (through to the RWC final in 2015). Reckon we'll ever see them get back to those heights? The rugby world certainly seems to have closed the gap.

That passage of play from penalty to try scored is ridiculous. The amount of times it could have gone wrong. There are two rucks in particular where Messam and McCaw absolutely empty the Irish defenders at the ruck. The McCaw one is actually audible.

Aaron Crudens catch and pass all in one motion to coles is sexual. The ball was like an arrow

Neil3030

NeonWolf wrote: »

That passage of play from penalty to try scored is ridiculous. The amount of times it could have gone wrong. There are two rucks in particular where mesa and McCaw absolutely empty the Irish defenders at the ruck. The McCaw one is actually audible.

Yeah McCaw certainly was a cut above the current crop. Mad to think that was 6 years ago, seems like yesterday.

PTH2009

That 2013 game in Dublin still haunts me even tho we beat them twice since then

No matter the result this weekend ill never forget been up there last November. Special special day

NeonWolf

Neil3030 wrote: »

Yeah McCaw certainly was a cut above the current crop. Mad to think that was 6 years ago, seems like yesterday.

Jesus. Ive done nothing with my life since then !

raclle

NeonWolf wrote: »

If true its a case of one coach sticking with yesterdays men in your Best's and O Mahoneys vs a coach giving a chance to young blood.

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This is why Joe is just smarter than the average bear. He knows that the qf of a wc is no place to be taking or giving chances.

Or the fact that they're just playing inform players and not questioning tough decisions on who they leave out in benefit of the team.

Gonad

Would have suited us better to get Barnes . Referees only human and the fact that the winner of our game more than likely play England next I think Barnes deep down in that English brain of his would rather Ireland than NZ playing the queens team next . Those marginal calls might have went our way even if he didn’t realise he was giving them intentionally:)

Although Owens might also think deep in that Welsh brain of his that Wales can win the WC and he knows Wales can beat Ireland and not NZ so that could play a part . But I think he secretly has a hatred for Ireland so wouldn’t be surprised if the game is tight he might make some mad call against us .

Then again maybe they are actually like robots and just call it as they see it

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Gonad wrote: »

Would have suited us better to get Barnes . Referees only human and the fact that the winner of our game more than likely play England next I think Barnes deep down in that English brain of his would rather Ireland than NZ playing the queens team next . Those marginal calls might have went our way even if he didn’t realise he was giving them intentionally:)

Although Owens might also think deep in that Welsh brain of his that Wales can win the WC and he knows Wales can beat Ireland and not NZ so that could play a part . But I think he secretly has a hatred for Ireland so wouldn’t be surprised if the game is tight he might make some mad call against us .

Then again maybe they are actually like robots and just call it as they see it

you do get a bit of a sense of "It's all about me" from Owens in the last couple of years imo.

raclle

Found this on the subreddit rugby section by Irish poster CromulentReynolds https://ekrugbyanalysis.wordpress.com/2019/10/16/the-hybrid-attack-a-look-at-how-the-all-blacks-are-switching-their-attack-up-with-the-2-3-2-1-and-2-2-3-1/ absolutely brilliant

ionadnapóca

Interesting to note that they tried to bed this 2-3-2-1 attack in v Ireland in Nov.
Or looked at from left to right...
1-2-3-2 attack shape
(or is it 1-2-4-1?)

https://youtu.be/QiKHZe_u80o