Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Well yeah and nay. It's simple to just pass accompanying legislation with the WA to deal with that issue. They just want to make it awkward as possible.
threeball wrote: » All fine and well dealing with reasonable people but they have shown that they consider themselves immune to damage from the EU by the very fact they're happy to carry out a hard brexit.
Deleted User wrote: » Seems to be no accurate consensus of the current state of play if you look at what the journos and their sources are saying. Tony Connelly & RTE seem the most optimistic, claiming the DUP have signed up to a consent proposal (whatever it is). But most British sources saying no deal tonight, plus DUP not signed up yet.
Water John wrote: » Maugham is simply using a law that was put in place by JRM. Totally entitled to do so. They have to remove the law or overide it with a new one.
Varta wrote: » I think you have a problem seeing the wood for the trees. Let me guide you: The UK, a fragmenting ex-colonial power, riven with internal strife and facing into pending economic disaster, stepping out from the EU and going it alone - versus - the most powerful economic and political coalition that the world has ever seen.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Before it was the Brexiteers trying to screw the island up, now it's desperate remainers.
Nate--IRL-- wrote: » Would it be too much tinfoil hattery to suggest T. Connoly is being used by the EU to sow division in the UK side? I get the impression that the optimism being exuded from the EU side is slightly disingenuous, as they are well aware how fragile a coalition of the unwilling the UK side is. If the wheels come off, it will likely be because the UK side disintegrates, the EU making very very clear, now, they are not the issue with a failure. Nate
igCorcaigh wrote: » Sky news have launched their own Brexit free news channel.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » It's simple to just pass accompanying legislation with the WA to deal with that issue. They just want to make it awkward as possible.
Imreoir2 wrote: » Which one assumes the government would do as part of the legislative package surrounding the deal. Its not like this is the first time the deal as agreed would require an amendment to some other peice of legislation. Seems like a road to nowhere to try to prevent a deal being put before parliament on that basis.
CelticRambler wrote: » some American woman being witch-hunted by a grieving family ...
davedanon wrote: » And I would suspect Tony is far too wily for that. I'm sure he was on the money, it's just the DUP gonna DUP innit.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » So why is self described Brexit hard man Baker so positive towards this? Hard not to be suspicious
Bambi wrote: » The DUP are canny horse traders they'll get a big f**k off bag of money, the stormont assembly back up and running, possibly the chance to reverse the NI backstop every four years AND not be responsible for the f****king the NI economy over a cliff Not a bad bus for them to be thrown under at the end of the day
LeinsterDub wrote: » Much like Mayo in an All Ireland final I'll not get my hopes up. The odds are something will go wrong with this before Sunday.
NEW: This is where I understand the Brexit talks, and details of the agreement under discussion, to be at: 1) Northern Ireland would be part of the UK's customs territory, however it would follow EU customs rules (ie no customs border on the island of Ireland). 2) Goods that carry no risk (for example the personal goods of someone moving to Northern Ireland from Britain + list of goods that will be covered by criteria set by the joint committee) will be exempt. 3) There will be a rebate mechanism. This will have to adhere to state aid rules. 4) The Northern Ireland text fundamentally builds on Feb. 2018 text (ie the Northern Ireland only backstop), reconciling it with UK requests 5) Main parts of the rest of the withdrawal agreement (citizens' rights, UK financial commitments and transition) fundamentally unchanged from current agreement 6) As mentioned earlier (and as reported by @tconnellyRTE), VAT is still the main open issue: UK has asked for Northern Ireland to not be subject to the EU's VAT regime, which is problematic for the EU. 7) On consent there will be a reference in the agreement to the mechanism + a unilateral UK declaration 8) The mechanism would work as follows: - after four years, Stormont decides by simple majority whether to maintain the arrangements for four more years. If vote is affirmative, after four more years there would be another vote if this has cross-community support - if the vote is against the arrangements, there would be a two year cooling off period - if Stormont is not in a position to vote, the arrangements stay 8) On the political declaration, UK has asked for a specific reference to a future relationship based on an FTA with zero quotas and tariffs + no references to a customs union. 9) On level playing field provisions, which have proven to be another stumbling block, EU made clear LPF guarantees have to be stronger than in most FTAs because of geography. Agreement requires appropriate implementation mechanisms and a framework for fair future competition. 10) This is what happens tomorrow if there an agreement in time: - EUCO conclusions to endorse agreement and call for its ratification. UK expected to have a Commons vote on Saturday. EU27 ambassadors could meet again, and agreement then goes to the European Parliament. - The EUCO summit is expected to kick off with a short intervention by PM Johnson, and that will be followed by a discussion at 27
davedanon wrote: » There's a triumph for optimism and no mistake. I'd give them the first; the rest, meh. If they were really canny operators, they wouldn't have ****canned May's deal. Best of both UK/EU worlds. Idiots.
igCorcaigh wrote: » Boris is surely not going ahead of Oct 31 with this. He has to deliver some deal that gets through the commons. The DUP are done, no way he can risk an extension and GE.
1) Northern Ireland would be part of the UK's customs territory, however it would follow EU customs rules (ie no customs border on the island of Ireland).
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