President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

The Democrats have some challenge going when Elizabeth (We are all part Native American) Warren manages to look youthful and vital alongside the other two top contenders.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes the stock market is doing terribly. Thanks for not ignoring what I wrote and coming up with an unrelated statement. So rare on boards these days.

A two bit huckster owned by private business is president. Stocks likely to do well. Means f*** all for the tax payer really. We've the same in Ireland.

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

The Democrats have some challenge going when Elizabeth (We are all part Native American) Warren manages to look youthful and vital alongside the other two top contenders.

Which ones are looking like getting impeached?

^ LOL

Give reasonable arguments, of which "looking like" will not be one.

Trump is winning - biggly.

As long as anti-Trump fan(atic)s keep attacking him, he will continue to win.

Give the American voters a reason to vote for a particular Democratic candidate.

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

^ LOL

Give reasonable arguments, of which "looking like" will not be one.

Trump is winning - biggly.

As long as anti-Trump fan(atic)s keep attacking him, he will continue to win.

Give the American voters a reason to vote for a particular Democratic candidate.

Trump might win, sure *pats head*
Now back to him looking like getting impeached

" looking like"

Again. You're better than this*.

* I have read posts of yours on previous subjects/threads and I have enjoyed reading quite a few.

Blueshoe

Matt Barrett wrote: »

A two bit huckster owned by private business is president. Stocks likely to do well. Means f*** all for the tax payer really. We've the same in Ireland.

Means nothing for the tax payers? A booming stock market means everything to the taxpayer. It's the whole economy!

Pensions
Employment
Wage inflation
Investments
Property

Ridiculous statement.
The average family has seen close to 2k in tax cuts

Don't forget that a booming American economy is good for Ireland too. If the Us sneezes we all get a cold.

https://youtu.be/u9Z9HpP6Fa4

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

" looking like"

Again. You're better than this*.

* I have read posts of yours on previous subjects/threads and I have enjoyed reading quite a few.

You're the one bringing the Democratic candidates into a Trump impeachment inquiry thread. As relevant as Hunter Biden IMO.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Means nothing for the tax payers? A booming stock market means everything to the taxpayer. It's the whole economy!

Pensions
Employment
Wage inflation
Investments
Property

Ridiculous statement.
The average family has seen close to 2k in tax cuts

Don't forget that a booming American economy is good for Ireland too. If the Us sneezes we all get a cold.

It's as relevant as the government of the day want to make it.
If I'm on minimum wage and subsidised by welfare so I can survive on Walmart salary, how is Lockheed Martin's share price of direct benefit to me?

Wanderer78

Blueshoe wrote:

Means nothing for the tax payers? A booming stock market means everything to the taxpayer. It's the whole economy!

The stock market represents the wealth of the minority very well, but the wealth of the majority very poorly, as the majority of stocks are owned by this minority, I.e. the asset owning classes

Blueshoe

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You're the one bringing the Democratic candidates into a Trump impeachment inquiry thread. As relevant as Hunter Biden IMO.

It's as relevant as the government of the day want to make it.
If I'm on minimum wage and subsidised by welfare so I can survive on Walmart salary, how is Lockheed Martin's share price of direct benefit to me?

You need to learn to differentiate between pulling random military stocks profit and the economy as a whole.

Profitable companies paying more tax and expanding which creates jobs.
Basic stuff. If the stock market nosedived and those companies weren't profitable or making less profit then there are less jobs created and tax paid to run the country.
Knock on effect ending up with you losing your job from Wallmart

The tax avoidance schemes are a different story. The loser in that is the average Joe and Jane.

“If you eliminated the entire Pentagon, every single thing — planes, ship, troop, the buildings, everything, satellites — it would pay for a total of four months [of Medicare-for-all].”

I had to laugh. Joe Biden really shut down the group and even the moderators with that, as he rightfully brought up the issue that there is no way to pay for the Democrat candidates promises.

And I also had to laugh at the first question. All the candidates agreed Trump should be impeached. Funny, but all the things the Democrats have been touting for the last two years as reasoning for his impeachment (claims of collusion, quid pro quo, lying, abuse of power, using foreign agents to target a political opponent, etc) were things Democrats actually have done in recent years.

seamus

Blueshoe wrote: »

Means nothing for the tax payers? A booming stock market means everything to the taxpayer. It's the whole economy!

That's a pretty naive understanding of the stock market tbh.

The stock market is a measure of the amount of profits that private companies are making (or expect to make), and little else tbh.

In the US in particular, wages have stagnated while stocks increase because companies' profit doesn't just come from stuff people are buying, but places where they are saving money too.

For the sake of example, the NYSE closed at 7,089.83 on 1st January 2005 and at 12,808.84 on 31st December 2017.

That's an 80% rise in 13 years.

The average wage of an American (who worked!) in 2005 was $55,391
The average wage in 2017 was $60,558.

An increase of just over 9% in 12 years.

In real terms, the average American's disposable income has dropped as more and more services are privatised and everything is ultimately paid for by stealth taxes.

That's why there's only the slightest passing relationship between stocks and individual income. Because free markets work to generate profit for private individuals, they do not work to improve the economy or society.

Blueshoe

seamus wrote: »

That's a pretty naive understanding of the stock market tbh.

The stock market is a measure of the amount of profits that private companies are making (or expect to make), and little else tbh.

In the US in particular, wages have stagnated while stocks increase because companies' profit doesn't just come from stuff people are buying, but places where they are saving money too.

For the sake of example, the NYSE closed at 7,089.83 on 1st January 2005 and at 12,808.84 on 31st December 2017.

That's an 80% rise in 13 years.

The average wage of an American (who worked!) in 2005 was $55,391
The average wage in 2017 was $60,558.

An increase of just over 9% in 12 years.

In real terms, the average American's disposable income has dropped as more and more services are privatised and everything is ultimately paid for by stealth taxes.

That's why there's only the slightest passing relationship between stocks and individual income. Because free markets work to generate profit for private individuals, they do not work to improve the economy or society.

Are you saying wages should have risen in line with the performance of the stock market?
The price of goods and services would also increase at the same level.
The economy would have melted in some sort of hyperinflationary bomb

America is capitalism. If companies are doing well then the economy is doing well then people have jobs.

You are talking about the widening gap between the common person and the super rich. That is happening in every country and long before Trump.

Eric Cartman

Warren, Biden, Sanders - all weak competitors. The democrats are pulling the impeachment card because its the only way to win in 2020 and its grasping at straws at best.

You can scream, shout, cry whatever, the man is getting another 4 years.

drunkmonkey

All I'll say on the stock market it long may Trump reign. I'll be retiring by the end of his second term if things keep chugging along with the Don driving.
I'd say it's a no brainier for the average American, it's a choice between more money in their pockets or black trans rights as we witnessed at the dims debate the other night.

Boggles

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Warren, Biden, Sanders - all weak competitors. The democrats are pulling the impeachment card because its the only way to win in 2020 and its grasping at straws at best.

I don't think that is true, there was massive opposition in the senior ranks of the democratic party to an impeachment process.

But then the dotard goes on tv and admits what he did.

What fúcking option had they in reality?

Is there a realistic democratic candidate now?

Warren is odds on for the shot, but all Trump has to do, and I have no doubt he would, is walk out to the first debate wearing a Native American War Bonnet atop his golden locks and declare he is as much Native American as Warren is.

People would laugh, be aghast, and then vote for Trump. For telling the truth.

Eric Cartman

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Is there a realistic democratic candidate now?

Warren is odds on for the shot, but all Trump has to do, and I have no doubt he would, is walk out to the first debate wearing a Native American War Bonnet atop his golden locks and declare he is as much Native American as Warren is.

People would laugh, be aghast, and then vote for Trump. For telling the truth.

They don't have anyone likeable or compelling enough, nobody with enough teflon to deflect the insults and nobody without a voting history that makes them look like communists when roger stone gets the rumor mill going.

Yeah, don't see any charismatic candidates there.

No denying that B. Clinton and Obama oozed charisma.

drunkmonkey

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Is there a realistic democratic candidate now?

Paddy Power still doesn't think so.

Anyway, everyone's got their opinions and I do respect them all.

Before I depart, here's my genuine suggestion for a genuine democratic candidate:

Sarah Silverman

Whip-smart, quick-witted, charming, camera friendly.

*May the best person for the Irish economy win, whomever that may be...

It is the Democrats, (and Republicans) duty to look to impeachment if they think it's warranted. Pelosi dragged her heels on it.
It will likely end in tears for the democrats but they'd have lost what little respect I have for them had they opted not to.
Trump needs to be called out. If he's not kicked out of office, fair enough.

Don't rule out Michael Bloomberg or Hillary Clinton jumping into the race late in the game.

Eric Cartman

notobtuse wrote: »

Don't rule out Michael Bloomberg or Hillary Clinton jumping into the race late in the game.

I would love to see her crushed one more time, basically deprive her of ever even having a chance at the office.

notobtuse wrote: »

Don't rule out Michael Bloomberg or Hillary Clinton jumping into the race late in the game.

You lads are obsessed with Clintons.

I'd say youse still give out about Jimmy Carter ffs..

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You lads are obsessed with Clintons.

I'd say youse still give out about Jimmy Carter ffs..

She's the one who just last week said she might run again in an interview on PBS, not me. Best to know the facts before opening mouth.

Beasty

Well my previous intervention seems to have fallen on deaf ears, so let me be a bit more explicit, so anyone finding themselves on the wring side of any mod actions really will not have any excuse

Stick to the topic - it's the Trump impeachment Inquiry, not complaints about other US political figures.

Stop all the "I am right, you are wrong" stuff. Discuss in a reasoned fashion. Yes feel free to counter points made, but please provide something to support any assertions you are making to counter the assertions of others

From now on I'm going to start dishing out cards, forum bans and threadbans, so if you wish to remain part of this conversation please start posting in a constructive (and civil) manner

Any questions, please PM me

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I would love to see her crushed one more time, basically deprive her of ever even having a chance at the office.

The reason Bloomberg and Hillary Clinton are considering a run is two-fold. The impeachment inquiry into Trump is hurting him in the polls and providing an opening for a strong Democratic candidate… which leads into the second reason. There is no current strong Democratic candidate. Biden’s prior actions has also drawn him into the impeachment nonsense and he has been losing ground to Warren. Warren is weak because she refuses to discuss how she plans on paying for all her feel-good socialistic programs… which can’t without massive tax increases on everyone. If Hillary decides to run she will also be pulled into the impeachment nonsense if it progresses to a Senate trial, leaving Bloomberg as the only viable candidate on the Democratic side.

mcmoustache

Interesting polling out today from galup.

At the moment it's at 52% for Impeachment and Removal.

More interestingly, it also contains the polling for Clinton and Nixon. Support for Clinton's impeachment and removal was at 32% at the time of the trial. In the case on Nixon, he was at 58% when he resigned.

These are going to be the important numbers. These are what Senators, especially McConnell and Congressmen will be looking at.

The question is, what's likely to happen over the next few months? Will the impeachment probe find that the whistleblower complaint was nonsense or will the witnesses all corroborate it? Will Trump be vindicated on Syria? Will he figure out why he is where he is and self reflect and change things up? Or will he continue down the same road that got him here?