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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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Joe_ Public

I'll believe there's a deal when I see official announcement and all parties giving a joint press conference. Not before, regardless of what source says what. Seems to me EU are at pains to stress the positive whatever the status of talks, it's spin and nothing more.

davedanon

Tony doubles down. Or should that be 'quadruples'. Four sources now.

"At the risk of getting into a source arms race, I have four sources confirming the original report..."

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184450769141014529

trellheim

heh heh heh see post above

https://twitter.com/peter_tl/status/1184454042216550401

( PS everyone remember where we were when reading these posts ha )

hometruths

davedanon wrote: »

Tony doubles down. Or should that be 'quadruples'. Four sources now.

"At the risk of getting into a source arms race, I have four sources confirming the original report..."

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184450769141014529

Tony is risking the whole thing trolling Arlene like that!!

davedanon

Oh nonsense, it's his job. He's a journalist.

prawnsambo

schmittel wrote: »

Tony is risking the whole thing trolling Arlene like that!!

He's replying to Robert Peston, not Arlene Foster. And if they get uppity about a journalist reporting what he's hearing, then they were never on board to begin with.

FrancieBrady

schmittel wrote: »

Tony is risking the whole thing trolling Arlene like that!!

It's not like Facebook, he didn't post it on her 'wall'. He reported a story to everyone following him...she 'chose' to respond.

'Don't shoot the messenger' is apt here.

RickBlaine

Could this whole situation be a case of Johnson getting any possible deal agreed by the EU before the Benn Act deadline even if it won't be passed by Parliament.

Therefore, he can go into the election saying "well I got the deal negotiated in time but Parliament blocked it forcing me to request an extension".

ilovesmybrick

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1184462685582364674?s=20

Apparently there should be some form of idea whether or not it'll be done by the end of the month or if an extension is required, which I think everyone would presume is undoubtedly the case at this stage.

gooch2k9

RickBlaine wrote: »

Could this whole situation be a case of Johnson getting any possible deal agreed by the EU before the Benn Act deadline even if it won't be passed by Parliament.

Therefore, he can go into the election saying "well I got the deal negotiated in time but Parliament blocked it forcing me to request an extension".

I proposed that yesterday but was informed Benn Act mandates an extension request nonetheless.

woohoo!!!

DUP doubling down on veto.

ancapailldorcha

woohoo!!! wrote: »

DUP doubling down on veto.

They don't have a veto. Anything they approve of will be rejected by the EU and vice vearsa. Crafting a proposal simply to satisfy the ideologues and the extremists will inevitably fail once it is examined by the EU.

trellheim

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

They don't have a veto. Anything they approve of will be rejected by the EU and vice vearsa. Crafting a proposal simply to satisfy the ideologues and the extremists will inevitably fail once it is examined by the EU.

ACD - Much as I want to joke here , there is a serious point about consent in NI being a very fractious thing - I think most of us are aware of that

54and56

trellheim wrote: »

heh heh heh see post above

https://twitter.com/peter_tl/status/1184454042216550401

( PS everyone remember where we were when reading these posts ha )

How much Sterling is in circulation and how much value in £'s does a tweet worth 0.8% from Tony Connolly add?

PS Tony, if you're reading this I have a cunning plan we could both retire on

woohoo!!!

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

They don't have a veto. Anything they approve of will be rejected by the EU and vice vearsa. Crafting a proposal simply to satisfy the ideologues and the extremists will inevitably fail once it is examined by the EU.

Their concept of consent is a unionist veto as Jeffrey Donaldson confirmed last week. Now it may well be the final swoon to keep the backwoodsmen on board but always a bonus to slap down a fenian etc

54and56

54and56 wrote: »

How much Sterling is in circulation and how much value in £'s does a tweet worth 0.8% from Tony Connolly add?

PS Tony, if you're reading this I have a cunning plan we could both retire on

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/statistics/banknote

£70,000,000,000 (£70 Billion) in circulation appartently.

0.8% = £560m

50% for you Tony = £280m

50% for me for being the brains of the operation = £280m

Vegas first then Miami??

[Deleted User]

54and56 wrote: »

How much Sterling is in circulation and how much value in £'s does a tweet worth 0.8% from Tony Connolly add?

PS Tony, if you're reading this I have a cunning plan we could both retire on

I suppose technically, that tweet created likely tens or hundreds of bllions of dollars of value. Money in circulation is small beans compared to the overall currency.

prawnsambo

54and56 wrote: »

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/statistics/banknote

£70,000,000,000 (£70 Billion) in circulation appartently.

0.8% = £560m

50% for you Tony = £280m

50% for me for being the brains of the operation = £280m

Vegas first then Miami??

So you're going to invest all the sterling in circulation to make £580 million? Are you sure you need the money?

54and56

prawnsambo wrote: »

So you're going to invest all the sterling in circulation to make £580 million? Are you sure you need the money?

You're right, not worth the effort, much better to be glued to Sky News, Twitter and Boards.ie

Infini

schmittel wrote: »

Tony is risking the whole thing trolling Arlene like that!!

Hardly, they can rant and rave all they want this isn't 2017 where they had the ability to sink an idea, they denied reality for too long that they've forgotten their place is under the Boris Bus now. That's what happens when you abandon reality and refuse to deal with the consequences: Sidelined, Irrelevancy, Outlived their usefulness.

I'm honestly getting the feeling that all the chickens are going to come home to roost for the DUP and they're about to get their comeuppance, they've burned their bridges with everyone but worst of all they screwed over everyone including their own supporters in pursuit of their ideological unicorns and now we got the cash for ash in both book and report form coming strait for them.

Get the popcorn and cola lads this is gonna be good!

prawnsambo

Infini wrote: »

Hardly, they can rant and rave all they want this isn't 2017 where they had the ability to sink an idea, they denied reality for too long that they've forgotten their place is under the Boris Bus now. That's what happens when you abandon reality and refuse to deal with the consequences: Sidelined, Irrelevancy, Outlived their usefulness.

I'm honestly getting the feeling that all the chickens are going to come home to roost for the DUP and they're about to get their comeuppance, they've burned their bridges with everyone but worst of all they screwed over everyone including their own supporters in pursuit of their ideological unicorns and now we got the cash for ash in both book and report form coming strait for them.

Get the popcorn and cola lads this is gonna be good!

I'd be afraid what Boris has offered them tbh. There are lots of things he could commit to that would be hard to identify unless they opened up about them. Obviously the usual financial inducements would be visible, but stuff like not having a border poll on a UI, abortion rights, marriage rights etc. could be part of the bargain. And I'm sure there are lots more that I haven't thought of.

[Deleted User]

Why are the DUP being seen as relevant at all? Johnson has no majority with or without them.

joe40

Infini wrote: »

Hardly, they can rant and rave all they want this isn't 2017 where they had the ability to sink an idea, they denied reality for too long that they've forgotten their place is under the Boris Bus now. That's what happens when you abandon reality and refuse to deal with the consequences: Sidelined, Irrelevancy, Outlived their usefulness.

I'm honestly getting the feeling that all the chickens are going to come home to roost for the DUP and they're about to get their comeuppance, they've burned their bridges with everyone but worst of all they screwed over everyone including their own supporters in pursuit of their ideological unicorns and now we got the cash for ash in both book and report form coming strait for them.

Get the popcorn and cola lads this is gonna be good!

I would love it if you are right but I think when the dust settles on this whatever the outcome, NI politics been what it is, will mean DUP support will remain.
They will claim to have fought the good fight for the union and they're only thing stopping a Sinn Fein controlled assembly (assuming it gets up and running)
In a normal situation the UUP and alliance should be big winner in all this but I don't think it will play out like that.

ancapailldorcha

trellheim wrote: »

ACD - Much as I want to joke here , there is a serious point about consent in NI being a very fractious thing - I think most of us are aware of that

When do the Nationalists get asked for consent?

None of what I said was intended as a joke. Anything that will satisfy the DUP will be unacceptable to the EU.

[Deleted User]

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184479044290650112

Guess I'll wake up to this news tomorrow.

Varta

joe40 wrote: »

I would love it if you are right but I think when the dust settles on this whatever the outcome, NI politics been what it is, will mean DUP support will remain.
They will claim to have fought the good fight for the union and they're only thing stopping a Sinn Fein controlled assembly (assuming it gets up and running)
In a normal situation the UUP and alliance should be big winner in all this but I don't think it will play out like that.

When the dust settles on all of this the dust will also have been blown off the dossiers held on the DUP. They will be shunned as parasites and made pariahs. A curtain has been opened on NI and a lot of people in the UK who were hitherto blind have had their eyes opened.

LeinsterDub

Varta wrote: »

When the dust settles on all of this the dust will also have been blown off the dossiers held on the DUP. They will be shunned as parasites and made pariahs. A curtain has been opened on NI and a lot of people in the UK who were hitherto blind have had their eyes opened.

If you listen to LBC you'll hear that a lot of them still haven't had their eyes opened about Brexit let alone know who the DUP are!

Shelga

Will NI be staying in the single market as well as the customs union? How does this affect free movement in NI?

Varta

LeinsterDub wrote: »

If you listen to LBC you'll hear that a lot of them still haven't had their eyes opened about Brexit let alone know who the DUP are!

Those aren't the kind of people who hold dossiers. When you finally remove a parasite your first instinct is to crush it.

murphaph

Comment on BBC website:

They (Ireland) want their cake and eat it.
They agreed to GFA knowing Brexit meant Irexit and now want to renege on the deal.

No border on the island means RoI cannot protect the SM.
It means they must leave the SM (or break GFA).

The Irish are at fault. UK should go for no-deal and tell RoI to protect the SM themselves.