President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Schiff is some asshole. He says about republicans, and I quote:

"They don't want to discuss the president's conduct, they would much rather discuss process, because they can't defend the president's conduct and every time they're asked you see just how difficult, how indeed impossible it is to justify the unjustifiable"

What an absolute crock. Multiple republican members of congress have given lengthy interviews about the phone call and defended it.

Pelosi also said more or less the same (almost as if they're rehearsed it):

"They can't defend the president's conduct"

What baloney.

Overheal wrote: »

Wrong about what? That the reason she mentioned it at all was because The View prompted her to?

Yes.

You keep shifting the goalpost and whacking strawmen.

You said it. You were wrong. No goalpost moving. No strawman.

https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1184250909590724609
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1184242455836811264

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You're unreal. You clearly said:

They are YOUR words I'm quoting and no, the hosts did not do what you are saying they did at all. You're wrong, again.

Rice brought up impeachment in the context of Syrian withdrawal (and it's likely consequences) and pointing that out is making a "tangential claim" :P

Admit you're wrong, for once.

Wrong about what? That the reason she mentioned it at all was because The View prompted her to? You keep shifting the goalpost and whacking strawmen.

Beasty

This thread is very clearly more about politics than verifiable facts. Both sides of the (US) political spectrum will, and indeed in this thread have, tried to find anything that can be twisted in a way to support their position

Can I please ask that all of you step back a little, and look at your "contributions" to this particular discussion. None of it looks pretty at all, and all of you seem to fall into the trap of blindly following your own political persuasion at the expense of civilised debate

Perhaps if you thought a bit more deeply before posting we could have a constructive discussion, rather than tit for tat point scoring

I know it's a lot to ask, but please, give it a go - you may all actually start to appreciate there's always two sides to something like this, and it's unlikely that one of those sides will be 100% correct (nor indeed anything approaching 100%)

Thanking you all in anticipation......

James Brown

He's not a lying sack of sh*te, it's just all the medias don't like him now :rolleyes:

mcmoustache

Billy Mays wrote: »

Fox News the Never Trump Network

We were always at war with Eurasia.

Billy Mays

Fox News the Never Trump Network

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

Fox News seems to have become the Never Trump Network since Murdoch’s son took control.

That Fox News poll which showed 51% of voters were in favor of Trump’s impeachment and removal from office underrepresented republicans. Pollster Braun Research, which conducted the poll, noted 48% of its respondents were Democrats. Actual party affiliation is 31% Democrat, 29% Republican and 38% independent, according to Gallup. You’d think Fox News would let us know their survey was tainted and weighted incorrectly in favor of Democrats. I guess not with the new generation of Murdochs, apparently.

Independents in the majority vote either Democrat or Republican, what's the breakdown when that is included?

Trumps favorite pollster Rasmussen has is at 50% this morning on par with Fox more or less.

14% of GOP voters would support impeachment and removal.

IMHO polls can fúck off TBH.

They are not a crystal ball.

Overheal wrote: »

I never said she didn't say what she said on the video. Your claim was she went on there with an agenda to link the two. Again this video isn't evidence of your claim. Thats all you do Pete, post videos and make wild tangential claims about them.

You're unreal. You clearly said:

Overheal wrote: »

She was answering a question from one of the stupid hosts who pushed impeachment into Rice's response the Kurdistan and you want to blame her for having a premeditated agenda to link the two on her visit?

They are YOUR words I'm quoting and no, the hosts did not do what you are saying they did at all. You're wrong, again.

Rice brought up impeachment in the context of Syrian withdrawal (and it's likely consequences) and pointing that out is making a "tangential claim" :P

Admit you're wrong, for once.

mad muffin wrote: »

It was on Fox News

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3644

Be more interesting to see the unskewed value now.

Cody montana

mad muffin wrote: »

It was on Fox News

That’s not a Fox News poll.

notobtuse wrote: »

Fox News seems to have become the Never Trump Network since Murdoch’s son took control.

Not the son you're thinking of.

Great "never Trump network" for hosting Hannity, Watters, and Carlson. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That Fox News poll which showed 51% of voters were in favor of Trump’s impeachment and removal from office underrepresented republicans. Pollster Braun Research, which conducted the poll, noted 48% of its respondents were Democrats. Actual party affiliation is 31% Democrat, 29% Republican and 38% independent, according to Gallup. You’d think Fox News would let us know their survey was tainted and weighted incorrectly in favor of Democrats. I guess not with the new generation of Murdochs, apparently.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/15/trump-is-war-with-statistics-and-its-going-about-well-youd-imagine/

In recent days, Trump’s frustration about polling has been focused not on his approval rating or his chances in 2020 but on impeachment. When Fox News’s pollsters last week announced that 51 percent of respondents believed Trump should be both impeached and removed from office, Trump turned against his favorite cable news network.

“From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good Fox News Poll,” he tweeted on the day the poll came out. “Whoever their Pollster is, they suck.”

As is often the case, Trump was joined in his efforts to brush away bad news by allies and the conservative media ecosystem. In short order, Trump defenders started digging into the Fox poll, raising various specious questions about how it was conducted and who was targeted.

There emerged during the 2012 presidential race a concept called “unskewing,” in which polls that showed President Barack Obama leading Republican nominee Mitt Romney were adjusted by third parties to (in their estimation) better reflect the electorate. Those unskewed polls generally showed Romney winning, though, as history books can confirm, Romney did not win.

The New York Post decided to unskew the Fox News poll.

“Princeton, New Jersey, pollster Braun Research, which conducted the survey, noted 48% of its respondents were Democrats,” the tabloid’s Mary Kay Linge wrote on Friday. “But the actual breakdown of party affiliation is 31% Democrat, 29% Republican and 38% independent, according to Gallup.”

The “real” values? “A poll weighted for party affiliation would have concluded that 44.9% favored impeachment and 44.4% opposed it,” Linge wrote, pointing to “Post analysis.”

There are all sorts of misleading aspects of that “analysis,” including the use of tenths of a percent to make the results appear more statistically accurate. Doesn’t 44.9 percent look more precise than Fox News’s original 51 percent value? Well, it isn’t.

Among the many reasons? The assumption about what Gallup shows is itself wrong. Yes, Gallup’s most recent polling shows the party breakdown above. But most independents typically vote with one party or the other. Democrats and Democrat-leaning independents make up 49 percent of the population — about where the Fox News poll had them. There are a range of other problems with reweighting solely on party and without access to the original numbers, but we think we’ve made our point.

still shows at best/worst a split in impeachment

notobtuse wrote: »

Fox News seems to have become the Never Trump Network since Murdoch’s son took control.

That Fox News poll which showed 51% of voters were in favor of Trump’s impeachment and removal from office underrepresented republicans. Pollster Braun Research, which conducted the poll, noted 48% of its respondents were Democrats. Actual party affiliation is 31% Democrat, 29% Republican and 38% independent, according to Gallup. You’d think Fox News would let us know their survey was tainted and weighted incorrectly in favor of Democrats. I guess not with the new generation of Murdochs, apparently.

Yes. I read that too. Don’t forget Paul Ryan is on the board now. To say he dislikes Trump would be an understatement.

Cody montana wrote: »

Link it so.

It was on Fox News

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

That is flat out false.

Whoopie asks Rice about the Syrian withdrawal and what the potential dangers are of it (she did not mention impeachment when she posed the question). Susan then proceeded to give her views on what she thinks withdrawing will lead to with regards to the resurgence of ISIS (which I tend to agree with by the way) and Joy then interjects (at 1m 42s) and asks: ".. and there's no way to stop him from this?" to which Susan then, off her own back, starts talking about impeaching Trump. SHE linked the two, not her hosts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagk-DcTAIY

If you could try to improve your reading comprehension for a second: I never said she didn't say what she said on the video. Your claim was she went on there with an agenda to link the two. Again this video isn't evidence of your claim. Thats all you do Pete, post videos and make wild tangential claims about them.

notobtuse

mad muffin wrote: »

Fox. Obviously.

Fox News seems to have become the Never Trump Network since Murdoch’s son took control.

That Fox News poll which showed 51% of voters were in favor of Trump’s impeachment and removal from office underrepresented republicans. Pollster Braun Research, which conducted the poll, noted 48% of its respondents were Democrats. Actual party affiliation is 31% Democrat, 29% Republican and 38% independent, according to Gallup. You’d think Fox News would let us know their survey was tainted and weighted incorrectly in favor of Democrats. I guess not with the new generation of Murdochs, apparently.

Overheal wrote: »

To quote Kevin McCarthy - you added a word in there.

She suggested that girl's blood was on Trump's hands. Stop playing word games.

But besides, whether she's talking about the Kurd genocide in her tweet as a whole

:rolleyes:

or this girl from a video she probably barely watched - she doesn't have the ****ing translation for that video any more than I or you do.

As I said, if she's referring to this child then she didn't watch the video.

Either way I doubt she speaks Kurdish.

Well then she shouldn't be retweeting it suggesting that a dead girl's blood are on the hand's of the American President. Honestly, do you ever admit when you're wrong? Rhetorical question of course.

She's a National Security Advisor and UN Ambassador. It's disgraceful.

Cody montana

mad muffin wrote: »

Fox. Obviously.

Link it so.

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's not grammar.

I see…

Cody montana wrote: »

Where are you getting this information from?

Fox. Obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nagk-DcTAIY

Overheal wrote: »

She was answering a question from one of the stupid hosts who pushed impeachment into Rice's response the Kurdistan and you want to blame her for having a premeditated agenda to link the two on her visit?

That is flat out false.

Whoopie asks Rice about the Syrian withdrawal and what the potential dangers are of it (she did not mention impeachment when she posed the question). Susan then proceeded to give her views on what she thinks withdrawing will lead to with regards to the resurgence of ISIS (which I tend to agree with by the way) and Joy then interjects (at 1m 42s) and asks: ".. and there's no way to stop him from this?" to which Susan then, off her own back, starts talking about impeaching Trump. SHE linked the two, not her hosts.

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Who is claiming that the child in her arms is dead?

At this time, as far as I can tell, it is only people who want to conjure up a conspiracy theory about drugging children to make war more fun and exciting (I guess they were all out of fake blood so date rape drugs where their second choice?)

Cody montana

mad muffin wrote: »

What were the Fox polls last week? 51 percent for impeachment.

Looks like Schiffty Schiff is doing a sterling job at obfuscation. It’s now down to 46 percent. Good job Schiffty. Good job. Keep it up.

Where are you getting this information from?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/15/trump-is-war-with-statistics-and-its-going-about-well-youd-imagine/

mad muffin wrote: »

What were the Fox polls last week? 51 percent for impeachment.

Looks like Schiffty Schiff is doing a sterling job at obfuscation. It’s now down to 46 percent. Good job Schiffty. Good job. Keep it up.

mcmoustache

mad muffin wrote: »

Why don’t you tell me. You seem to be the authority on grammar

That's not grammar.

James Brown

Blueshoe wrote: »

We usually meet on Tuesdays and Thursdays but with Ireland playing tonight this evenings meeting is cancelled.

Explains why you could all be the same person. Anything goes for Don. Must be great having blind support.