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Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

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Water John

Farage would have a sort of likeability factor, despite the reality of what he stands for, O Neill has no redeeming feature, irritating gosh1te.

Yes looks like TM's No 1 Deal, pathetic however they spin it.

FrancieBrady

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Update from Tony Connelly:

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1184150577615429634

The DUP response to this will be fascinating. I'd be surprised if they are on board.

I said it earlier that Paisley looked completely deflated on Claire Daly last night and looked like he had come out of a massive row.

They got told last night in No. 10 what was going down.

lawred2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If the UK have capitulated on the border in the Irish Sea then why wouldn't there be a 'deal'?
The EU are fine with that.

I think the vast majority were always okay with the border in the Irish sea.

TM should have faced down the DUP, put the border in the Irish sea to a parliamentary vote and then publicly asked the DUP to accept the will of the parliament which they claim to hold so dear.

Her mistake was to never test parliament with it.

gooch2k9

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I said it earlier that Paisley looked completely deflated on Claire Daly last night and looked like he had come out of a massive row.

They got told last night in No. 10 what was going down.

Would they not have been more vocal about it in that case?

Water John

They'll support a Deal IWT. I'm not over worried about the UK, just no nonsense on this island.

is_that_so

IWT?

Kermit.de.frog

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I said it earlier that Paisley looked completely deflated on Claire Daly

Everyone looks deflated when they are talking to Claire Daly with life generally.

FrancieBrady

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Would they not have been more vocal about it in that case?

Waiting until it's announced I presume and lobbying support in HoC.

Paisley was slipping into the Never Never talk last night, never once mentioned a positive from the 'meeting'.

Man the wires...the objections will come if this comes to pass.

Mr.Nice Guy

Arlene is going to be on RTE News shortly. Should be good.

trellheim

Level playing field .... if thats not in there the rest of the EU will get the hump I wonder what was traded... I suppose we will find out in a few hours

Cork Boy 53

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I said it earlier that Paisley looked completely deflated on Claire Daly last night and looked like he had come out of a massive row.

They got told last night in No. 10 what was going down.

You mean Claire Byrne.

Kermit.de.frog

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Arlene is going to be on RTE News shortly. Should be good.

Will she be in denial or simply rejecting the proposals?

Needs a brave face because there is no other way to look at it other than they are being shafted by BJ.

FrancieBrady

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You mean Claire Byrne.

oops...Yes.

Kermit.de.frog

Arlene Foster in Downing Street this evening

https://twitter.com/PoliReview/status/1184158054352375808

jprender

DUP are going to be sidelined here.

trellheim

With the DUP he still does not have a majority. If there is a deal then it will be rebels to get it over the line

Mr.Nice Guy

From listening to Foster there it doesn't sound like she's in the loop. Guess we'll find out shortly.

J Mysterio

is_that_so wrote: »

IWT?

I would think, i presume.

gooch2k9

Say the UK government agree a deal with the EU. The EU sign off on their side at the council. Then the HOC come along and block it. They'd have some neck requesting an extension at that point. The EU could agree a hundred different deals and never get them past the HOC.

SeaBreezes

Tea Shock wrote: »

The French are reportedly getting antsy that things are feeling a bit too rushed and worried that the insistence of level playing field protection in environmental, social and fiscal rules may be compromised with Johnson's government not committing to it the way Teresa may's did. One apparent suggestion is that the EU could go very heavy on tariffs of UK exports if they step out of line but how to square that with GB exports to Northern Ireland if the latter are in the EU customs Union is the hurdle.

True. Plus the UK has form in agreeing to implement laws and 'forgetting' ..

The high horse brigade

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

From listening to Foster there it doesn't sound like she's in the loop. Guess we'll find out shortly.

Looks like she's anxious to get power sharing back up and running for some reason

L1011

Tea Shock wrote: »

ITV reporting that Steve Baker (ERG chairman) is saying the ERG are on board with the deal being discussed.

I'll eat my hat if there's a deal!
Although I'll have to buy one first!

So the ERG are throwing the DUP under the bus, as you vehemently denied was ever going to happen a few days ago...

Junkyard Tom

Arlene's trying to shoehorn the GFA's 'principle of consent' (read: unionst veto) into accepting any Withdrawal Agreement.

It's sickening watching the DUP trying to shield themselves from international realpolitik by cowering in behind the GFA they so desperately tried to destroy.

J Mysterio

Quite remarkable...

https://twitter.com/ashstronge/status/1184124537337761798

Never has Britian taken such an interest!

FrancieBrady

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

From listening to Foster there it doesn't sound like she's in the loop. Guess we'll find out shortly.

I got the feeling that she was reverting to DUP without any power. Just keep up the high moral ground pretense and ignore any pertinent questions about past behaviour. Stock DUP politics tbh.

Widdensushi

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Looks like she's anxious to get power sharing back up and running for some reason

exactly, she is going to try and block the deal another way, saying there has be agreement on the border issue by unionists according to the gfa.

Joe_ Public

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Say the UK government agree a deal with the EU. The EU sign off on their side at the council. Then the HOC come along and block it. They'd have some neck requesting an extension at that point. The EU could agree a hundred different deals and never get them past the HOC.

But as per the Benn Act, that's what's already been set out to be done. It's a fair point, though, what will the EU think if or when another deal fails to be passed. I think most of the EU are still solidly behind a remain viewpoint, but that's by no means all and it could lead to some clear divisions emerging.

tanko

jprender wrote: »

DUP are going to be sidelined here.

Arlene on BBC1 now, completely deluded as usual.

Enzokk

Johnson should get eaten alive in the Commons if he brings this deal for a vote,

https://twitter.com/owen_g/status/1184130117435641857?s=20

Not only did May reject it but he himself called it the biggest humiliation since the Suez Canal for Britain. Farage will use this against him and he will still not get the Brexit Party vote in a election, if the deal is anything like the WA May negotiated.

Junkyard Tom

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Looks like she's anxious to get power sharing back up and running for some reason

It's hilarious. If your only political negotiating tactic is to block everything, like an obstruction in a river, eventually it will flow around you.