Pa ElGrande wrote: » There is another problem that ties Greta, her supporters and the extinction rebellion together and that is the science versus religion debate. Science is a quest for understanding based on a primacy of reason empiricism and evidence and is constantly being revised as newer information comes to the fore. If Greta had been around in the 1970s, listening to the scientists would have meant global cooling was going to doom mankind.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » Greta is a school drop out who gets her science from her mother and the Swedish equivalent of the Guardian. Her lack of education has meant she does not understand the science behind her chosen subject of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. How dare she preach to us like that.
Tell me how wrote: This reads like someone who is posting in the thread for the first time.
Tell me how wrote: » This reads like the draft of a movie screenplay. ..
Tell me how wrote: » This reads like someone who is posting in the thread for the first time.No criticism is allowed -Tantrum - Not being in school - All the weak, deflecting strawman arguments.And now using a comedic video as a riposte.You've nothing to offer to of any substance. You are literally gone back to step 1 and are once again just repeating points that are irrelevant.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » She is not a kid, she is a young adult, daughter of an actor and opera singer both with experience of public performance and both politically correct climate activists. Greta is part of an orchestrated campaign, her actions are not spontaneous and she has nothing to say outside the script she is given. She is a propaganda instrument for the UN Youth Climate Summit held in September this year. She has now served her purpose and she should concentrate on her future career and will likely follow her parents trade as an actress. For the UN the campaign failed to raise revenue and importantly she was ignored by the president of the United States. For those who ask why she is not in China and India staring down their leaders, the United States is where the money is when the political system is in their favour. If Greta wants to continue in politics then she will have to learn that her days of acting as a human shield to deflect criticism of others are coming to an end and she will have to learn to negotiate instead of scowling at world leaders. In January she will be 17 years old and hopefully a bit wiser.United Nations so cash-strapped staff could go unpaid in November, warns Secretary General Funding the United Nations: What Impact Do U.S. Contributions Have on UN Agencies and Programs? There is another problem that ties Greta, her supporters and the extinction rebellion together and that is the science versus religion debate. Science is a quest for understanding based on a primacy of reason empiricism and evidence and is constantly being revised as newer information comes to the fore. If Greta had been around in the 1970s, listening to the scientists would have meant global cooling was going to doom mankind. Instead Greta and her followers understanding are driven by ideology and religion and they use science as a deflection, we know this because the documents Greta points to does not support her and others claims of impending Thermageddon. Their understanding derives from what is deemed to be revealed truth, which is unethical even to question (how dare you). Reason and evidence are subordinated to a supporting role that’s restricted to selected examples that accord with belief. I am also aware that some skeptics tend to do this as well. The people who use Greta as their shield aim not to discover truth, since catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is accepted to be known with absolute certainty, but rather to defend such belief from any questioning and to maintain it without change or doubt, regardless of any and all reason and evidence that does not support it. In that regard Climatology has become a new religion that uses the imprimatur of the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change reports to derive its authority.
Tell me how wrote: » This reads like someone who is posting in the thread for the first time.
gozunda wrote: » It is curious that no criticism of the teenager is permitted according to her various followers. This even despite the teenager in her most recent outing at the UN - going off into a tantrum and blaming all the adults in the room for steeling her childhood, future and throwing all the toys out of the pram. She says she should be in school. Yes greta - you should be in school and not bringing science into disrepute with that type of rubbish. Thankfully the Swedes aren't as delicate
Dr. Bre wrote: » Moan of Arc more like...
sk8erboii wrote: » Every single day its the exact same posters making the exact same posts. I really hope theyre getting paid to do this otherwise, its just sad pathological behavior.Dont start with the cringy zingers though. I can tell its old people humor. Never funny
gozunda wrote: » Meh. It's a discussion - on a thread - in a forum.But I would suggest that as a foil to the mindless parroting about greta says this that or the other - then such pointy stick throwing is a part of the usual daft replies. But if you are saying that you are an "unemployed nuisance" by contributing - that's a bit hard on yourself for sure ...
sk8erboii wrote: » Jesus. Imagine posting all this bile about a teenager every single day of the week. Extinction Rebellion protestors arent the unemployed nuisance in this debate it seems.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » It's a 16 year old kid, if it's bothering you and your mates on this thread it's because you're all obsessed with her. I know nothing about her except she wants politicians to listen to scientists. Fair enough Greta, I don't need to go reading about her parents or how long she's off school for.
Tell me how wrote: » ...Look at Trumps big Tax cuts, they massively benefited the already wealthy. There needs to be an acknowledgement that this is creating a big problem and is the root cause of a lot of other issues.
Pa ElGrande wrote: » How dare she preach to us like that.
Tell me how wrote: » For those still confused about Greta's message.
Tell me how wrote: » You used the 'Grudgion' (sic) to support your argument. Which is it, you believe their articles or not?When I use the spectator to support mine, you can ask me the same question.
gozunda wrote: » Simply replying to the other poster who introduced Joan of Arc. Ok with you? Ah I see you like the Grudgion and its gushing editorials on saints greta but not the Spectator. Grand so
Tell me how wrote: » I have no comment to make on their reporting of Joan of Arc. I have no great knowledge or interest of her and like lots of stories without recorded evidence, the story and reality are likely somewhat disconnected from each other. Spectator? Please...Also, the byline from that piece.Nobody is pretending that. Wakefield is doing the old strawman thing.
gozunda wrote: » Lol. Re. policing the internet - even more relevant because that one source can damn one and praise the other and see no contradiction... Certainly as with Sainte Joan - much of what they report on - would indeed appear to be based on fiction fiction Perhaps your like this instead? Again the creation of a 'saint' - this time saint greta ..https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/the-cult-of-youth-damages-everyone/
Why do we keep pretending that children are wiser than adults?
Tell me how wrote: » I thought you didn't like quotes from newspapers?And from the Guardian no less. I take it you will accept their position on the climate discussion.No evidence amongst their pages of them questioning the motives or behaviour of Greta either.
The cult of youth damages everyone... We’ve begun to behave as if young people are special; more virtuous and wiser than adults. It’s wrong and it’s creepy and we’ve got to stop it
gozunda wrote: » There are certain similarities I'd agree. However . as with Joan - much of what greta does / says is certainly hyped and dies not stand up to scrutiny.
As the crisis escalate in our natural world, we refuse to turn away from the climate catastrophe and species extinction. For The Guardian, reporting on the environment is a priority. We give reporting on climate, nature and pollution the prominence it deserves, stories which often go unreported by others in the media. At this pivotal time for our species and our planet, we are determined to inform readers about threats, consequences and solutions based on scientific facts, not political prejudice or business interests.
Naggdefy wrote: » When has a 16 year old had such an influence on world political affairs?Greta, agree, disagree, like or loathe is remarkable. Joan of Arc is the last girl of similar age to make such an impression that I can think of. That was probably more 'local', the French/English 100 years war.Who else has caused such a stir so young?
(Joan) "was, it seems, almost entirely the creation of France's desperate need for a patriotic mascot in the 19th century. The country wanted a hero, the myths of the revolution were altogether too bloody, and France more or less invented the story of its patron saint. ...much of the adulation is down to wishful thinking, Mr Caratini claims. "Psychologically, her story is beautiful," he said. "It's the little girl who lives out her dreams to the end. But she really wasn't the heroine who saved France - just a human being with exceptional energy and self-belief." According to Mr Caratini, however, who based his book on what he says is the first scientific study of the records of her trial, her voices were quite clearly "fantasies fabricated by our heroine, presented as if they were real, but with no deliberate intention to deceive. They are frequent and normal in every young child".
Thelonious Monk wrote: » But posters here feign concern for the poor not being able to afford things, when talking about putting tax on flights and other carbon heavy industries. You hate the poor! Theftist? No I just want better distribution of wealth and fairer societies. I was lucky to be born into a moderately well off home and given opportunities in life, not everyone gets that but it would be great if they did.
Naggdefy wrote: Who else has caused such a stir so young?
