MadYaker wrote: » I still can’t get an answer from any of you as to why, in your own opinion, the republicans who control the senate have absolutely no interest in investigating any of this democrats corruption?
The Horowitz report might be interesting but Horowitz himself can’t do much with it.
Also, is nobody bothered by the fact that trump is involving his own personal lawyer in government business? Could you imagine the howling of Obama had done something like that.
MadYaker wrote: » I still can’t get an answer from any of you as to why, in your own opinion, the republicans who control the senate have absolutely no interest in investigating any of this democrats corruption? The Horowitz report might be interesting but Horowitz himself can’t do much with it. Also, is nobody bothered by the fact that trump is involving his own personal lawyer in government business? Could you imagine the howling of Obama had done something like that.
MadYaker wrote: » Any grown ups have an answer?
notobtuse wrote: » I believe the GOP Senate are waiting for some concrete evidence before undertaking a Senate inquiry, unlike Democrats in the House who have launched several investigations based on hearsay, rumors and fake news. If damning reports come out from Barr and Durham I think you will see the Senate push to have the DOJ do his job, first, before launching into investigations. Remember, the GOP does not have the majority of the media act as scribes so they need more substantial evidence before undertaking an investigation into real collusion, corruption and a possible coup. Because we all know the media will damn Senate Republicans if THEY launch into an investigation, and try to turn public opinion against the GOP As Trump's personal lawyer it is his to duty to protect his client and find out the truth, if authorities are targeting his client instead of the real of purveyors of corruption.
MadYaker wrote: » You’ve no idea what you’re talking about. The purpose of any investigation is to collect evidence. Once the evidence is collected the investigation is over. Then a trial begins to decide whether or not the evidence is enough to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The democrats have begun the evidence collecting by launching the investigation in congress. Then it’ll go to the senate for a trial and some GOP senators will have to turn on trump if he’s to be impeached (unlikely imo) that’s where we’re at.
mcmoustache wrote: » Leaving aside the remainder of this spectacular gish-gallop of horse-shít, care to name a Democrat led house investigation that started based on hearsay, rumours and fake news?
notobtuse wrote: » Three different Democrat House committees are currently investigating the trumped up Trump charges. New News… Project Veritas strikes again. Leaked audio of Zucker, president of CNN, directing his employees to push impeachment and that all of CNN's stories should be about moves towards impeachment. In addition, one of CNN's employees claims Zucker had a personal vendetta against Trump. Is anyone really shocked that CNN is completely biased against Trump and journalistic integrity be damned?https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1183780647522856960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1183780647522856960&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsamj-3930%2F2019%2F10%2F14%2Fproject-veritas-bombshell-nothing-to-see-here-just-cnns-jeff-zucker-directing-employees-to-push-impeachment%2F Even Shiff seems now to believe there was no quid pro quo, as he recently stated "Well, first of all, there doesn't need to be a quid pro quo. But it is clear already, I think, from the text messages that this meeting that the Ukrainian president sought was being conditioned on their willingness to intervene in the U.S. election to help the president…” I guess Trumps real crime is now being an evil genius, or something. :rolleyes:
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Man, Trump is gonna love this, totally vindicates him calling them fake news (just as this did re: the NYT) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7XZmugtLv4
mad muffin wrote: » Yeah this doesn’t shock me at all. It’s really well known what’s going on, if you care to look beyond MSM and it’s satellites. Whilst those still playing in the sand box eating the sand and yelling IMPEACH!! Will know nothing but the MSM sand they are eating.
notobtuse wrote: » I’m surprised the usual suspects here haven’t chimed in yet with…NOTHING TO SEE HERE... PLEASE MOVE ALONG!
notobtuse wrote: » I’m surprised the usual suspects here haven’t chimed in yet with…
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Oh, they have .. just in the more safer of spaces
notobtuse wrote: » Okay, so I see you've decided not to go with the grown-ups answer.
mad muffin wrote: » How is everyone enjoying the narrative pivot? Now we don’t need the whistleblower (cause they are now found to be tainted) and we don’t need quid pro quo (since we have the call). Now it’s about the set up to accepting a call between Trump and Zelensky. I wonder what it will be next week? The spaghetti fauxpeachment continues…
notobtuse wrote: » Three different Democrat House committees are currently investigating the trumped up Trump charges.
mcmoustache wrote: » That's just you repeating your assertion. It doesn't in the slightest way answer the question but as I keep saying, when you place Trump talking points under any scrutiny, they fall apart. Those talking points aren't there to convince grown ups of anything - they are for you to swallow and repeat without understanding what you're saying.
notobtuse wrote: » Thank you for bringing my posting error to my attention. I was wrong... It isn't 3 House committees investigating Trump, but rather 6 House committees including the Judiciary and Oversight panels. I guess all these Democrat controlled House committees have nothing else to do.https://www.vox.com/2019/9/25/20882860/house-democrats-impeachment-inquiry-donald-trump-nancy-pelosi
unlike Democrats in the House who have launched several investigations based on hearsay, rumors and fake news
mcmoustache wrote: » That they have launched inquiries is not in dispute. You said: I think that this is horse-sh!t and I said so earlier. If you can't demonstrate even one inquiry that was launched based on "hearsay, rumours and fake news", it sounds like you just wrote some crap that you didn't understand.
mcmoustache wrote: » The impeachment has been ongoing for a few weeks and it will continue for a while too. During that time, things will happen, people will say things and there will be different stuff that people will be talking about. And the impeachment inquiry will continue.
notobtuse wrote: » That's my opinion and please show me anything that warrants an impeachment inquiry. Don't say quid pro quo because it looks like even Shifty Shiff is moving away from that charge which was based on hearsay, rumors and fake news.
notobtuse wrote: » Seems Representative Matt Gaetz (R) got kicked out of the Democrats double secret investigation hearing. Gaetz sits on the Judiciary Committee, which is part of the half dozen Democrat controlled committees overseeing the witch-hunt. He was told he had to leave because he was not a member of the House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs committee that is conducting the impeachment inquiry into Trump. What have Democrats got to hide? Aliens?
mad muffin wrote: » Pre school isn’t finished yet. They’re still playing in the sand box.
mcmoustache wrote: » So you can't name one. That's fine and I know that this isn't a fact based thread but it's obviously not great to be making stuff up.
mcmoustache wrote: » If you can't demonstrate even one inquiry that was launched based on "hearsay, rumours and fake news", it sounds like you just wrote some crap that you didn't understand.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Oh please, the whole of Russia-Gate was based on Heresay. Downer SAID that Papa SAID that Mifsud SAID that Russians SAID they have Hilary's emails. The New York Times and the Washington Post ran stories in the months leading up to the election based on nothing but heresay too. Also, the current investigation was launched on heresay as Pelosi admitted she hadn't yet read the transcript of the call.
notobtuse wrote: » Because there no reason to hold an impeachment inquiry. There is good reason to believe Joe Biden partook an illegal quid pro quo in demanding Ukraine fire the prosecutor who was looking into the company that Biden’s son been sitting on the board. I think Joe gave them all of six hours to accomplish the firing or they wouldn’t get the billions in US taxpayer money. Just because someone is running for POTUS doesn’t give them a free pass to involve themselves in criminal activity and not worry about being investigated. And Ukraine and the US have an agreement to help each other in the matter of a potential crime that involves both countries. So you can throw the Ukraine reasoning out the window. Then what have you got... nothing! Or is it simply Orange Man Bad as bases enough for the impeachment nonsense?
