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Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

Jimmy Garlic

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

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Naggdefy

When has a 16 year old had such an influence on world political affairs?

Greta, agree, disagree, like or loathe is remarkable. Joan of Arc is the last girl of similar age to make such an impression that I can think of. That was probably more 'local', the French/English 100 years war.

Who else has caused such a stir so young?

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Absolutely not , they earned that money and your theftist attitude is disgusting

But posters here feign concern for the poor not being able to afford things, when talking about putting tax on flights and other carbon heavy industries. You hate the poor! Theftist? No I just want better distribution of wealth and fairer societies. I was lucky to be born into a moderately well off home and given opportunities in life, not everyone gets that but it would be great if they did.

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Absolutely not , they earned that money and your theftist attitude is disgusting

jimgoose wrote: »

Not on your nelly.

Just as a reference, and even though this is not included in the thread title so at least one poster will be up in arms over it, but this is the effective tax rate in the US over the last 50 years or so.

Now, to be clear, I am not suggesting we take all of wealthy persons income so that they earn just above the median wage or anything like that, but a lot of the higher earners are working in companies where many of the staff earn very little.

Amazon workers income and terms and conditions have been discussed widely.
Walmart is one of the wealthiest companies in the US and many of their workers have to rely on food stamps.

Lobbying and influence by wealthy individuals to lower tax rates, for wealthy individuals has been intense in most of our lifetimes. Look at Trumps big Tax cuts, they massively benefited the already wealthy. There needs to be an acknowledgement that this is creating a big problem and is the root cause of a lot of other issues.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

Dude, you struggled (and failed) with sic.

So still dont understand what was detailed no? Fair enough. It is quite simple - there are car manufacturing factories in Europe and other countries. That's it really.

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

Do you problems understanding what was written? Let me know and I'll help you out the best I can ...

Dude, you struggled (and failed) with sic.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

The line implied all BMW cars are made in Europe. That is wrong.

I get the difficulty in understanding it.

Oh no it didn't!

To the other posters comment viz

gctest50 wrote:

Bmw is made in China

I replied:

gozunda wrote: »

...According to the companies blurb - BMW is headquartered in Munich and in Europe produces motor vehicles in Germany and the UK.

And yes BMW and others also produce vehicles for specific markets in other countries - this at least partially due to trade restrictions of importing such vehicles to those counties. China is a case in point

Do you find problems understanding what was written? Let me know and I'll help you out the best I can ...

jimgoose

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

How about taxing the hell out of high earners to better distribute money and services amongst the poor, would you be down with that?

Not on your nelly.

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

How about taxing the hell out of high earners to better distribute money and services amongst the poor, would you be down with that?

Absolutely not , they earned that money and your theftist attitude is disgusting

Eric Cartman

KyussB wrote: »

The poor in China don't need western trade - what they need is for the Chinese economy to focus on boosting the domestic economy (which is where all of the poor live...), instead of focusing on being a mass-export economy - and reducing trade with China would achieve exactly that.

Europe needs to do the same. Stop the race to the bottom expecting more for less
Eat irish meat and dairy, buy european produce, shop in irish supermarkets, buy european cars and european replacement parts, focus on quality and less transport miles than price

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Cutting off chinese manufacturing would have little impact on high earners and ‘the rich’ it would pnly serve to hurt the poor.

How about taxing the hell out of high earners to better distribute money and services amongst the poor, would you be down with that?

KyussB

The poor in China don't need western trade - what they need is for the Chinese economy to focus on boosting the domestic economy (which is where all of the poor live...), instead of focusing on being a mass-export economy - and reducing trade with China would achieve exactly that.

Eric Cartman

Tell me how wrote: »

The line implied all BMW cars are made in Europe. That is wrong.

I get the difficulty in understanding it.

The premium models are as is the european bought ones, every V12 engine is made in munich,

Your complaint was about anti communists benefiting from chinese communism, not really the case, if you buy a european car im europe it is most likely made in a european factory under european labour standards with european made parts.

Cutting off chinese manufacturing would have little impact on high earners and ‘the rich’ it would pnly serve to hurt the poor.

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

That's taken from the companies blurb. Hilarious you are claiming they are wrong and even more bizarre that you try to claim expertise over and above those who run / own the company.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

jimgoose wrote: »

Somebody should tell Jag, they're only planning on building the new electric XJ saloon in Castle Bromwich.

The line implied all BMW cars are made in Europe. That is wrong.

I get the difficulty in understanding it.

jimgoose

gozunda wrote: »

That's taken from the companies blurb. Hilarious you are claiming they are wrong and even more bizarre that you try to claim expertise over and above those who run / own the company...

Somebody should tell Jag, they're only planning on building the new electric XJ saloon in Castle Bromwich.

gozunda

Tell me how wrote: »

The poster is wrong. As are you.

That's taken from the companies blurb. Hilarious you are claiming they are wrong and even more bizarre that you try to claim expertise over and above those who run / own the company.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

jimgoose

Tell me how wrote: »

And yet another consistent argument.

I wasn't even talking to you, never mind arguing! :pac:

Tell me how

jimgoose wrote: »

What a lot of rot! :pac:

And yet another consistent argument.

jimgoose

Tell me how wrote: »

If you don't want to be identified as 'triggered and enraged' by Greta, stop being 'triggered and enraged' by reports of what she is doing and the message she is communicating.

That argument throughout the thread is consistent only in the manner in which it has been poorly presented and the justification for it has rolled from one angle to the next and back again.

What a lot of what Orwell would probably call Learned Rot! :pac:

Tell me how

jimgoose wrote: »

We're "triggered", apparently, and "enraged" by the sight of a teenage girl. Go figure. I'm only surprised that "gammon", one of the more nonsensical of these Neo-Politik words that have materialised, hasn't cropped up in this context. :pac:

If you don't want to be identified as 'triggered and enraged' by Greta, stop being 'triggered and enraged' by reports of what she is doing and the message she is communicating.

That argument throughout the thread is consistent only in the manner in which it has been poorly presented and the justification for it has rolled from one angle to the next and back again.

jimgoose

Tell me how wrote: »

The poster is wrong. As are you.

Are you saying that BMW and VAG don't manufacture cars in Europe?

lleti

jimgoose wrote: »

We're "triggered", apparently, and "enraged" by the sight of a teenage girl. Go figure. I'm only surprised that "gammon", one of the more nonsensical of these Neo-Politik words that have materialised, hasn't cropped up in this context. :pac:

Yes very true. They always go on about how they're for equality and treat people with respect yet they're going around with buzzwords and insults themselves.

jimgoose

lleti wrote: »

...Anyone who may disagree in any way are called climate change deniers and are accused of becoming angry because of a kid. It's cult-like...

We're "triggered", apparently, and "enraged" by the sight of a teenage girl. Go figure. I'm only surprised that "gammon", one of the more nonsensical of these Neo-Politik words that have materialised, hasn't cropped up in this context. :pac:

Tell me how

gozunda wrote: »

gctest50 wrote: »

Bmw is made in China

The poster is not wrong. According to the companies blurb - BMW is headquartered in Munich and in Europe produces motor vehicles in Germany and the UK.

And yes BMW also produces vehicles for specific markets in other countries - this at least partially due to trade restrictions of importing such vehicles to those counties. China is a case in point

The poster is wrong. As are you.

gozunda

gctest50 wrote: »

Bmw is made in China

The poster is not wrong. According to the companies blurb - BMW is headquartered in Munich and in Europe produces motor vehicles in Germany and the UK.

And yes BMW and others also produce vehicles for specific markets in other countries - this at least partially due to trade restrictions of importing such vehicles to those counties. China is a case in point

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A rolls royce, bentley, range rover or bmw is assembled by well paid workers in safe factories in europe,

gctest50 wrote: »

Bmw is made in China

From Media Release

Today, Jaguar Land Rover has opened its Chinese engine plant as part of its RMB10.9 billion joint venture with Chery Automobile Ltd. The state-of-the-art facility will manufacture the all-new Ingenium 2.0-litre four-cylinder petrol engine for future Chery Jaguar Land Rover vehicles

Operations began at Chery Jaguar Land Rover's plant less than three years ago and since then it has manufactured more than 100,000 vehicles. It produces the Range Rover Evoque, Land Rover Discovery Sport and, exclusively for the Chinese market, the Jaguar XFL.

You're as consistent as ever Eric.

gctest50

Eric Cartman wrote: »

........

. A rolls royce, bentley, range rover or bmw is assembled by well paid workers in safe factories in europe, .,......

Bmw is made in China

JJayoo

So much sexual tension in this thread, a couple of posters really need to just meet up and get it out of their systems.

gozunda

KyussB wrote: »

If my quoted post is to be considered off topic (I disagree), then your own above is off topic - so take your own advice.Except: You're a hypocrite, and you label posts that way - knowing full well it's exclusively for the mods to decide that - for rhetorical effect.

Funnily enough - that simply rebounds on you. Calling a comment out as bizarre is just that. And nope - I said nothing about off-topic - you did. Again you engage in name calling and vainly try and play the poster. I think I'll leave at it as you clearly do not wish to actually engage with the discussion.

hetuzozaho

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

agreed

It's the people criticising her who seemed to have struggled the most in this thread anyway.

Some couldn't even stay within the rules of boards they were so effected by it all

lleti

hetuzozaho wrote: »

She seems to have managed all the criticism really well. Even the nasty stuff.

Should have also included her supporters and media.