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Irish TV/Film not allowed to glamorize crime ?

Uncle Charlie

I was listening to an interview with one of the writers of the new Irish crime show on virgin media.

He said he "didn't want to glamorize crime" in his new show.

I also heard the guy who wrote Love/Hate say a similar thing that he didn't want to glamorize crime either.

My question is why can't Irish TV and Films not glamorize crime ?

British and American films do it all the time.

If I watch a good gangster film it is not going to make me become a criminal. To me its just escapism.

Like The Business was a great film but it never made me want to become a drug dealer.

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Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

There isn't enough Irish tv/film to glamourise in the first place.

TheRodgers

love/hate glamorized the **** out of it to wantabe gangsters in this country just like mcgergor had the same effect on lads in 3 piece suits thinking they were hard men.

Bobblehats

I get the impression we are obsessed with glamourising crime. Even ahead of all the little brown peoples that we see on the netflix

Wayne Jarvis

The Business glamorises crime up until the point it shows the consequences. In Goodfellas the first half of it has Henry Hill being taken in by the cool guys of The Mob, he kills, robs, and scares people but he is shown to love it. It steadily starts to go bad for him without really realising it until the end when *SPOILER ALERT!* he is a paranoid coked up maniac, most of his friends are dead and the ones still alive he thinks will kill him. He ends up being "just another schlub" in his words, barely scraping by in the middle of nowhere. The very thing he tried to escape from in the first place.

Goodfellas is fúcking brilliant.

Bobblehats

Guy Person wrote: »

The Business glamorises crime up until the point it shows the consequences.

As do the businesses, glamorise the crime. Art imitating life?

SEPT 23 1989

its only glamourous to corner boys with no other way out of the ghetto

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TheRodgers wrote: »

love/hate glamorized the **** out of it to wantabe gangsters in this country just like mcgergor had the same effect on lads in 3 piece suits thinking they were hard men.

They all ended up dead or destroyed in the end though, Tommy retarded, Fran raped with a broken stick, Nidge, Jonhboy, Dazzler all dead. You have to watch to the end though, which is the always the problem with these stories

spurious

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

its only glamourous to corner boys with no other way out of the ghetto

...who aren't too bothered if they don't see 30.

[Deleted User]

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

its only glamourous to corner boys with no other way out of the ghetto

That was on thing I always noticed with Love/Hate, outside of immediately after a score, only Johnboy lived any better than what would be expected for any decent university graduate, and most of them lived pretty crappy lives

Uncle Charlie

The biggest criminals in the state are the government yet the media have no problem glamorizing them.

TheRodgers

riffmongous wrote: »

They all ended up dead or destroyed in the end though, Tommy retarded, Fran raped with a broken stick, Nidge, Jonhboy, Dazzler all dead. You have to watch to the end though, which is the always the problem with these stories

they are all ending up dead or on the run or with hits on them or beaten up in real life too, all for a year or two of the glamorous life quick drug money and power brings in before a bullet hits them and that does not stop the next generation of children taking over and a show like love/hate help portray that lifestyle to those children.

Arghus

There's so much stupid in that OP that it makes my head hurt.

Allinall

Uncle Charlie wrote: »

I was listening to an interview with one of the writers of the new Irish crime show on virgin media.

He said he "didn't want to glamorize crime" in his new show.

I also heard the guy who wrote Love/Hate say a similar thing that he didn't want to glamorize crime either.

My question is why can't Irish TV and Films not glamorize crime ?

British and American films do it all the time.

If I watch a good gangster film it is not going to make me become a criminal. To me its just escapism.

Like The Business was a great film but it never made me want to become a drug dealer.

It's not all about you, OP.

Edgware

Uncle Charlie wrote: »

The biggest criminals in the state are the government yet the media have no problem glamorizing them.

The usual oul ****e. Anything new to contribute

Dravokivich

I dont see why they couldn't. I'd just find it boring if every storyline had to be successful.

Harry Palmr

Dinny passing off shop bought eggs as free range was pretty glamorous in a bucolic way.

ShauntaMetzel

If we see it logically then its an appreciable step but usually teens and youngsters think it is better to do crimes because it gives more fame and money. It's good if someone is stopping it. We need to glamorize the honesty and good deeds.

Uncle Charlie

Dravokivich wrote: »

I dont see why they couldn't. I'd just find it boring if every storyline had to be successful.

Its probably because of Political Correctness that they don't want to show successful criminals.

The majority of criminals will lose but there is always a few at the top who win big.

Ferajacka

Was there not aload of young wans smoking pot in the pub in Glenroe a few years back?

donkeykong5

Uncle Charlie wrote: »

Dravokivich wrote: »

I dont see why they couldn't. I'd just find it boring if every storyline had to be successful.

Its probably because of Political Correctness that they don't want to show successful criminals.

The majority of criminals will lose but there is always a few at the top who win big.

Yeah. They are known as cleos coven !

ToddyDoody

Arghus wrote: »

There's so much stupid in that OP that it makes my head hurt.

The question was: why can't Irish TV and Films not glamorize crime ?

It makes about as much sense as Fidelma Healy-Eames.

Dank Janniels

I remember when the 1st series of Love Hate came out and aload of people wernt gone on it. It wasnt til series 2 or 3 when the gang were making it big time that the audience jumped on the bandwagon. I often said it reached its peak with the "Tommy asked for fizzy orange" episode like if it was the best comedic scene ever made or sumthing

Atlantic Dawn

Nobody in Love/Hate lived a life not looking over their shoulder.

Quantum Erasure

Ferajacka wrote: »

Was there not aload of young wans smoking pot in the pub in Glenroe a few years back?

and the time they fed Mary the magic mushrooms

Your Face

You can't completely glamorise it and expect to taken seriously.
It's crap life.

CalamariFritti

I dont think Love/Hate glamourised crime. It may have done in a shallow, dont look too deep kind of way. Someone with not too much between the ears might think 'how cool is that' here and there. But really all the characters were miserable and led ****ty lives. You'd always wonder why would anyone bother with all that cr@p. You could just go and have an ordinary job and not have a 50 inch in your toilet and you wouldn't be looking over your shoulder all the time. It wasnt exactly like they lived a carefree high life in luxury.

TheIrishGrover

Your subject said "Irish TV/Film not allowed to glamorize crime ?" and yet your posts says:

He said he "didn't want to glamorize crime" in his new show.

There is a HUGE difference between not wanting to do something and not being allowed to.

Badly Drunk Boy

Ferajacka wrote: »

Was there not aload of young wans smoking pot in the pub in Glenroe a few years back?

It must have been a good few years back since it was cancelled in 2001.

ToddyDoody wrote: »

The question was: why can't Irish TV and Films not glamorize crime ?

It makes about as much sense as Fidelma Healy-Eames.

Is that yer wan Miley was with?

Uncle Charlie

Your Face wrote: »

You can't completely glamorise it and expect to taken seriously.
It's crap life.

Except for the billionaire dealers at the top who own a load of mansions and a fleet of sports cars.

And these lads can't be touched because they don't get their hands dirty.

Church on Tuesday

I never got the hype for Love/Hate.

Found it to be fairly banal viewing save for Tom Vaughan Lawlor who is an excellent actor.