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Second Captains

ballsymchugh

Thought I'd update the OP with links and stuff for anyone who stumbles across this.

The former Off the Ball hosts have partnered with The Irish Times to do a series of weekly podcasts. They go online each Tuesday and cover a variety of sports, with a number of contributors including Sid Lowe, Richie Sadlier, Gerry Thornley and Shane Horgan.

They can be found:
On The Irish Times' site: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
On Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com
On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/second-captains-irish-times/id647893016?mt=2

Or if you prefer not to use iTunes for your podcasts, use this link in whatever app you use (Thanks to youcancallmeal): http://feeds.feedburner.com/secondcaptainsitcom

And here are their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

Cheers,
wnolan1992

so they're almost finished their gardening leave...

where will they end up?

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[Deleted User]

Completely disagree with kens critique of Pep' s handling of the Bernard Silva racism non-story.

Ken thought Guardiola should have said something along the lines of "Silva is not a racist but he messed up here". Thus accepting the premise that he was being racist when he clearly was just joking with his friend with no intent to harm or upset him.

I admire pep sticking up for his player. At some point in society we need to start saying No to these fake manufactured Twitter outrages. As I say, I think I disagree with Ken' s appeasement approach on this.

Arghus

Think Ken is spot on on the issue to be honest.

jaykay74

Ken going to Tbilisi for a few days in advance of the irish match. Hopefully some decent stories to come

Eire-Dearg

Richie interview was pretty good. Felt a bit short, but I suppose that's the trick to leave you wanting more to actually go out and buy the book!

Dots1982

Deleted User wrote: »

Completely disagree with kens critique of Pep' s handling of the Bernard Silva racism non-story.

Ken thought Guardiola should have said something along the lines of "Silva is not a racist but he messed up here". Thus accepting the premise that he was being racist when he clearly was just joking with his friend with no intent to harm or upset him.

I admire pep sticking up for his player. At some point in society we need to start saying No to these fake manufactured Twitter outrages. As I say, I think I disagree with Ken' s appeasement approach on this.

Dunno really, it’s hard to see the wood from the trees on these things. I’m white so I don’t know/can’t say how offensive the average black person finds these things.

I think he should be fined and given sensitivity training. A match ban is too harsh. But Man city is a work place (Not your average one to be fair) But I don’t go around my work place making japes about people’s race, never mind publicizing them on social media. I would regard anyone who did that kind of thing to be a walking liability in the office.

The Davestator

Dots1982 wrote: »

Dunno really, it’s hard to see the wood from the trees on these things. I’m white so I don’t know/can’t say how offensive the average black person finds these things.

I think he should be fined and given sensitivity training. A match ban is too harsh. But Man city is a work place (Not your average one to be fair) But I don’t go around my work place making japes about people’s race, never mind publicizing them on social media. I would regard anyone who did that kind of thing to be a walking liability in the office.

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

jaykay74

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

I'd be checking my contract with my employer (Man City) and possible notice some clauses related to my behaviour.

dulpit

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

If you are in a public-facing, well-known role then yes.

Beersmith

I am looking forward to some Ken Georgia travel japes

Battery Kinzie

Big things always seem to happen when Ken goes away for a bit. Colleen vs Rebekah can be added to that list now.

[Deleted User]

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

That "personal social media" has "Manchester City FC football player" as the only entry in the bio and nearly every image is of him in a Man City kit.

https://twitter.com/BernardoCSilva

Dante

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

Sure even a colleague of mine was dismissed for personal tweets deemed to be racist. It is commonplace for organisations to include clauses regarding Social Media usage in employee contracts. I imagine it would be even more important in the contracts of the likes of professional footballers.

deisedude

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Sure even a colleague of mine was dismissed for personal tweets deemed to be racist. It is commonplace for organisations to include clauses regarding Social Media usage in employee contracts. I imagine it would be even more important in the contracts of the likes of professional footballers.

+1. I used work in hotels before and everyone who joined the company had to sign a social media policy regardless of what role they were doing. If you did something that reflected the company in a bad way on social media you could be reprimanded

thenightman

Battery Kinzie wrote: »

Big things always seem to happen when Ken goes away for a bit. Colleen vs Rebekah can be added to that list now.

Two talentless leeches arguing about social meeja and leaks to rag like the Sun isn't a big thing. You might want to subscribe to the Heat magazine pod instead.

yermandan

thenightman wrote: »

Two talentless leeches arguing about social meeja and leaks to rag like the Sun isn't a big thing. You might want to subscribe to the Heat magazine pod instead.

It's not the content of the spat that's important or even interesting, it is Ken's regailing of it and point of view on it that never fails to be amazing content

Ol' Donie

thenightman wrote: »

Two talentless leeches arguing about social meeja and leaks to rag like the Sun isn't a big thing. You might want to subscribe to the Heat magazine pod instead.

Or Off The Ball.

dulux99

thenightman wrote: »

Two talentless leeches arguing about social meeja and leaks to rag like the Sun isn't a big thing. You might want to subscribe to the Heat magazine pod instead.

Lighten up mate.

humberklog

The "cuisine of georgia".

Salivating already.

[Deleted User]

dulpit wrote: »

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

If you are in a public-facing, well-known role then yes.

Bernardo doesn't face the public. He competes against fellow professionals, that is his core responsibility. They might tack on some stuff with sponsors and fans etc but he is hardly in a client relations role.

[Deleted User]

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

Sure even a colleague of mine was dismissed for personal tweets deemed to be racist. It is commonplace for organisations to include clauses regarding Social Media usage in employee contracts. I imagine it would be even more important in the contracts of the likes of professional footballers.

The main problem I have with it is who gets to decide what is racist or not? It is a subjective term and can be manipulated and twisted too easily. Raheem sterling didn't seem to think it was racist. Was he wrong? Is he an apologist for racist behaviour?

Still Ill

Who got to decide if the 'N' word was racist? Who got to decide if blackface is racist?

dulux99

Funnily enough, the only people I saw who were offended about the Bernardo Silva thing were white men.

tomwaits48

can we move on lads....

Cienciano

Deleted User wrote: »

Bernardo doesn't face the public. He competes against fellow professionals, that is his core responsibility. They might tack on some stuff with sponsors and fans etc but he is hardly in a client relations role.

Between Instagram and twitter he has 2.5m followers. He faces the public. It was a stupid thing for him to do.

applehunter

This is just more liberal left astroturfing.

Nobody cares.

Wasn't there a chant about some black player having a large penis or something and the same people were moaning.

The gentrification of football.:rolleyes:

lawred2

Freedom roundabout

jaykay74

applehunter wrote: »

This is just more liberal left astroturfing.

Nobody cares.

Wasn't there a chant about some black player having a large penis or something and the same people were moaning.

The gentrification of football.:rolleyes:

Astroturfing, never heard of it, is it some American sh!te lingo ?

It was about Lukaku and he asked them to stop. Maybe he should have not moaned about it ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/romelu-lukaku-chant-song-manchester-united-latest-asks-fan-stop-signing-a7965496.html

lawred2

jaykay74 wrote: »

Astroturfing, never heard of it, is it some American sh!te lingo ?

It was about Lukaku and he asked them to stop. Maybe he should have not moaned about it ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/romelu-lukaku-chant-song-manchester-united-latest-asks-fan-stop-signing-a7965496.html

The use of such Americanisms gives me a severe pain behind me eyes.

It's hard to demonstrate how individual and free thinking you are when you are simply lifting and reusing such terms at every opportunity...

There's a tragic irony about mimicking others while thinking you're an enlightened free spirit.

yermandan

Anyways, Richie's interview about his book blew me away. I can't wait to read it while eating dumplings the size of pears

[Deleted User]

Still Ill wrote: »

Who got to decide if the 'N' word was racist? Who got to decide if blackface is racist?

Again my main disagreement with Ken is his opinion that it should be just accepted as racism and an immediate apology issued, when it is not actually racist.

Ken mentioned that is not the intent of Bernard Silva that matters, rather the exact action that he took. Which is ridiculous, since a black player doing the same thing to Mendy would not be accused of racism.

I defer to Raheem Sterling and Mendy's opinions on whether it is racist.

And I really admire Pep for having the guts and intelligence to defend his player rather than simply doing the easy thing and raising the white flag unquestioningly and kowtowing to this nonsense.

(Maybe white flag is the wrong term but you get my point).

I do love Ken' s work but I wouldn't necessarily agree with his view on this.