Igotadose wrote: » Due process yinno - proof comes out, whether enough to convict or not is up to the Jury, the US Senate. This is going to be fun to watch. And all the screaming and whining about it, really changes nothing. The Congress will grind along. What's more concerning to due process, is the refusal to respond to Congressional requests from the WH and Trump's cabinet. If they refuse subpoenas, I think they can be jailed. That'd loosen them up.
notobtuse wrote: » They can show up to the hearing and fulfill the subpoena. And give answers to any questions as they so wish. Corey Lewandowski’s testimony can serve as a guide and make a mockery out of the kangaroo court.
notobtuse wrote: » Did they threaten to withhold billions of taxpayer money if it didn't happen?
Igotadose wrote: » So, you agree they should testify when asked? Must they be subpoenaed? As for Lewandowski, when the attorney questioned him, his bad behavior ceased. And assuredly the Congress will bring in lawyers to question Sonderland, Volker et al.
notobtuse wrote: » They should physically show up to a subpoena, and that's it. If Democrats in Congress want to keep ritually humiliating themselves, fine. But when the vast majority of Americans say they disapprove of the way Democrats are conducting a kangaroo court, and Republicans refuse to give credence to a unhinged mockery of justice, they really have no one but themselves to blame.
Matt Barrett wrote: » You know Republicans are involved every step of the way? What you are peddling here is lies. There is no Democrat only, behind closed doors dealings going on.
notobtuse wrote: » What lies? Are Republicans allowed to ask questions in the hearings? That reminds me of the standard Left talking points…Trump should go to jail!Why?For his crimes!What crimes?All of them!Please tell me what they are.Orange Man Bad!
Igotadose wrote: » As it stands, support for impeachment is up 21%. Among Republicans. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/new-poll-20-point-increase-impeachment-inquiry-republicans.html Got any data other than Trump's tweets about disapproval of kangaroo courts? Or is it you, and your deity Trump's, continued babyish persecution complex whining that you're drawing on? There's no 'court' anywhere yet on impeachment. Just some congressional investigations. Like Benghazi was. But, do keep echoing Trump tweets. Saves reading 4chan for the rest of us.
copeyhagen wrote: » I presume you spend a lot of time over at r/the_donald
notobtuse wrote: » I've heard of 4chan but have no idea what it is. Is it something you visit on a daily basis?
Igotadose wrote: » So, no data on kangaroo courts? Just your opinion then so.
Veritas Libertas wrote: » The kangaroo court is the court of public opinion?
notobtuse wrote: » Democrats didn’t even bother to have a floor vote of the full House to open an impeachment inquiry. By not holding a vote it has also allowed them to skirt the rules requiring such things as bipartisan questioning in hearings. Two interviews where held in secret and more interviews are coming up which will also be held in secret. Having the proceedings kept secret from the American public is Orwellian, and an abuse of power. Why don’t the Democrats want us to know what’s going on? Why do they require that they get to feed and filter their biased narrative and have their scribes in the media spin it for them? The obvious answer is the Democrats have a Shiff For Brains, and don’t believe in due process when it comes to Trump. Trump should put their nonsense on display and request nobody answer any questions from the kangaroo court until a full House floor vote is taken and bipartisan questioning is allowed.
notobtuse wrote: » Not exactly... Kangaroo Court an unofficial court held by a group of people in order to try someone regarded, especially without good evidence, as guilty of a crime or misdemeanor.
notobtuse wrote: » Democrats are conducting a kangaroo court.
notobtuse wrote: » Wanna bet? It won't!
mad muffin wrote: » I guess they didn’t see the McConnell video Did anyone watch the press briefing? I’ve never seen a prosecutor in my life that didn’t want anyone to see the damning evidence so much. I’ve never seen a guilty party so adamant that this damning evidence be released. As the congressmen said. It’s a kangaroo court and Schiff is Captain Kangaroo. By the way. There won’t be anymore interviews until the other two transcripts are released. They’re not having it. No more drip feeding information out of context and half truths.
Matt Barrett wrote: » You keep saying that Democrats are holding meetings behind closed doors. That's a lie. There are Republicans involved at every stage. You can pretend that's not the case, but you'd be lying. Your little exercise above is childish.
A little source material would be nice to back up your contention. Remember, though, Mad Magazine just shut down publication.
notobtuse wrote: » I said the hearings are being held in secret, and they are. Is bipartisan questioning allowed? Don’t go pulling no Shifty Shiff, here. And I would tread lightly before accusing someone of lying... if you want to continue to post in this thread, anyway.https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2019/10/07/democrats-trying-to-impeach-trump-in-secret-hearings/ Here you go…https://nypost.com/2019/10/04/fresh-proof-dems-impeachment-inquiry-is-just-a-kangaroo-court/
Penn wrote: » It isn't a trial, so there's no need to call witnesses for a defence. The House Committees are gathering evidence. If they vote to proceed with impeachment, it then goes to the Senate, at which point it effectively becomes a trial and the Senate Majority (in this case the GOP and McConnell) can proceed as a trial, allow witnesses, Trump to testify etc, before they then vote on whether or not to impeach the President. What the Dems are doing now is pretty much grand jury stuff, establishing what evidence there is and if there is enough to warrant going to fully trial by the Senate.
notobtuse wrote: » I didn't say Republicans should be allowed to call witnesses. I said the Republicans should be allowed to ask questions of the people the Democrats have served with a subpoena or asked to testify. Why else would the Democrats not have called for a full floor vote to hold an inquiry, other than to not allow Republicans to ask questions so they can hold a kangaroo court? The Democrats can fix the situation where Trump is telling someone not to comply with an 'invite.' Democrats can simply call for a vote and put an end to the one-sided process. Instead it looks like they'll start issuing subpoenas to everyone, and people can see Pelosi's no-vote-I-say-so impeachment inquiry sham for what it is.
Two interviews where held in secret and more interviews are coming up which will also be held in secret. Having the proceedings kept secret from the American public is Orwellian, and an abuse of power. Why don’t the Democrats want us to know what’s going on?
Matt Barrett wrote: » You said: Ask the Republicans who were there.
