Manic Moran wrote: » Unwittingly, you have just demonstrated part of the problem. As many here have doubtless observed, I am not averse to speaking in opposition to, or at least providing another viewpoint, the default groupthink of this thread, leading some to consider me a Trump supporter, though I have repeatedly stated I am not and never have been. I have similarly posted several times in the past that I don't see any great point in posting on some issues I agree with you on since you guys are doing a well enough job of it. I don't see many people on this thread condemning similar actions on the Democrat side, presumably they are happy enough that I do so. Try an experiment. Remember the gerrymandering issue that went to the Supreme Court a few months ago? Go back to the Trump Thread V, do a search for Gerrymandering, gerrymandered, etc. You get quite a few results as that is when Rucho was decided, but I note that your name does not seem to be one of them. Am I to assume from your silence that you support gerrymandering? It's not as if you weren't active on the thread, just searching for "posts by everlast75" gives me 61 pages of results! Let's go one stage further: The first paragraph of the Supreme Court decision states "The North Carolina plaintiffs claimed that the State’s districting plan discriminated against Democrats, while the Maryland plaintiffs claimed that their State’s plan discriminated against Republicans". Now, go back to your search results, and add the word "Maryland". Not one word from any person here about gerrymandering in Maryland by Democrats, despite the fact that it reached SCOTUS. Bad Republicans are bad. Bad Democrats... well, we'll just leave it to folks like Manic to point that out, after all, he's not with us and we can keep our focus on the opposition and it's a convenient excuse to denegrate him because he's pointing it out. Despite my condemning gerrymandering on both sides. Apparently, though, to be credible I am to be obligated to post on every single thing, even if it's redundant because it's already well covered. This seems very similar to a sort of required virtue signalling. I certainly don't object to what you said on the 'send her back' matter, and did not post anything in opposition. It's almost like required virtue-signalling. To expand to other posts. "The Republicans started it" or "The Republicans are worse" may be true. I've seen this on matters varying from gerrymandering to supreme court nominations. Did "But he did it first!" ever work after an admonishment from your dad when you were growing up after a playground argument? It's irrelevant. Spilt milk. Sunken costs. Whatever you want to call it. The bottom line is that it exists, and should be unacceptable, either initially or in response. And the reality is that it exists on both sides. A refusal to accept this is part of the problem creating the partisanship we suffer from in the US. The bottom line, folks here have correctly observed that a number of Republican supporters would rather vote Russian than Democrat. Few seem as eager to remember that there is a fierce anti-Republican camp on the Democrat side who equally don't give a damn about anything except to prevent Republicans from winning. As for my being 'fair and balanced', I never claimed to be such. I'm a moderate (At least, by US Standards). I'm as biased and adamant in my opinions as a moderate as a staunch Democrat is to theirs, or Republican to theirs. There are places where I disagree with this thread, and say so. There are places where I agree with the thread, and feel no need to say so, because it's already been said.
everlast75 wrote: » What an extraordinary thing for a senator to say. I guess he's placed all his chips in with Trump's "deep state" narrative.https://twitter.com/EricTWalters/status/1180834042423459841?s=19
Manic Moran wrote: » To expand to other posts. "The Republicans started it" or "The Republicans are worse" may be true. I've seen this on matters varying from gerrymandering to supreme court nominations. The bottom line is that it exists, and should be unacceptable, either initially or in response. And the reality is that it exists on both sides. A refusal to accept this is part of the problem creating the partisanship we suffer from in the US.
Water John wrote: » Jim Jordan. As someone said a few days ago, if it's him you have out defending you, you are in trouble.
Itssoeasy wrote: » I can’t remember which GOP senator said it today but when asked about trumps comments in China and trump asking China for help he said that we basically shouldn’t take those comments seriously. So basically the us presidents words don’t carry the weight they once did and we need to check to see whether he was being serious.
StringerBell wrote: » That was Marco Rubio. It was a painful interview to watch that one.
robindch wrote: » Not in the slightest. What's creating the toxic political environment in the US these days is that one side - the Republican side - is repeatedly and openly dishonest as it continually plays with the fire of identity and race politics. The Democrats, to an almost complete extent, do none of these things. Your claim that the two are equivalent, and are therefore equally to blame, is quite unconvincing.
You say it doesn't need to be said, but if one is to take anything from the "thanks" option here, its that one poster agrees with another. I've singularly failed to notice you thanking any post criticising Trump.
As for gerrymandering, either party doing is absolutely wrong. My solution (which i posted here) was to set up a non- partisan outside group to determine the issues. I frankly don't remember any comments on rullings on that issue, but now you know my view.
If you think that I'm being unfair, i can live with that.
everlast75 wrote: » https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1181043719497293824?s=19 A fulfillment of the pre-election promise to pull troops home, or an action to appease a foreign dictator? Either way, awful payback for former allies who fought alongside U.S. troops
robindch wrote: » Not in the slightest. What's creating the toxic political environment in the US these days is that one side - the Republican side - is repeatedly and openly dishonest as it continually plays with the fire of identity and race politics. The Democrats, to an almost complete extent, do none of these things.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » The Republicans play with the fire of identity and race politics?? Ha! Almost every damn day some Democrat politician is disingenuously crying racism, sexism, or some-bloody-ism and Twitter leftists will respond by retweeting and liking it in their thousands. Hell, it's the democrats currency of choice these days. I was called a racist myself on this very thread for heaven sake and all because I wouldn't accept that the GOP was the 'party of white supremacy'. Antifa are the perfect example of leftists using 'the fire of identity and race politics' as a battering ram. They don't believe for a second that the likes of Dave Rubin, Jordan Peterson etc are Nazis, but they'll stamp their feet and scream that they are of course, smashing a few windows (or heads) as they do so and all with the clear objective of silencing those who disagree with them. Liberals in western society have been throwing around these accusations like confetti for quite a long time and for a very good reason: it works for them. Nobody wants to be labelled a racist or a sexist, given the understandable social stigma which it carries, and so generally whatever behavior it is that has resulted in such an accusation being levelled, whether it's warranted or not, will cease, or at least become less popular ... and that of course is the objective of leftists, to control and silence, it's not out of any genuine belief that the people they are claiming are racists, are actually racists at all, that's immaterial to them. They just want these people, be it Rubin, or Peterson, or whoever, to shut up. The following tweet from AOC is a good example of how democrats absurdly use ism accusations (in this case antisemitism) as a way of trying to silence and discredit those that don't align with them politically:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1180476191951802369 Funny thing is, leftists keep telling us all it's the republicans that are the racists but if anything it is the democrats (or at least the ever growing leftist contingent among them) that are clearly the ones obsessed with race and identity, and willing to attack and abuse anyone who they feel it is different to them. It is these people that are responsible for the toxic political environment with regards to race and identity in western society today and the following clip leaves that in no doubt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4yDeaRbSqY
listermint wrote: » I think there are posters here who genuinely think they are in the middle yet only a few months ago said Obama did nothing for them and they left California because it was getting to expensive and lefty. Sounds right down the middle alright. And have yet to see the same ire directed at the worst present in the history of the country. Weird , this being in the middle business all the same
spacecoyote wrote: » Could someone explain the Rick Perry angle to me? Is the angle Trump is trying to play that its somehow not his fault if he did something wrong because someone else told him to make the call?
spacecoyote wrote: » Could someone explain the Rick Perry angle to me? Is the angle Trump is trying to play that its somehow not his fault if he did something wrong because someone else told him to make the call? That sounds to me something along the lines of some guy, lets say his name is "Ronald", killing someone, and evidence coming out for it. Then his defence becomes, but this friend of mine, lets say his name is "Mick", told me to do it, so I can't have known there was anything wrong, and can't be blamed for it. I didn't realise that you can't be blamed for doing something wrong, if someone, who is one of the best people, told you to do it
Manic Moran wrote: » robindch wrote: » What's creating the toxic political environment in the US these days is that one side - the Republican side - is repeatedly and openly dishonest as it continually plays with the fire of identity and race politics. The Democrats, to an almost complete extent, do none of these things. You are seriously telling me that Democrats aren't playing with the same toolkit?
robindch wrote: » What's creating the toxic political environment in the US these days is that one side - the Republican side - is repeatedly and openly dishonest as it continually plays with the fire of identity and race politics. The Democrats, to an almost complete extent, do none of these things.
Water John wrote: » If Trump was allowed, he wouldn't bother with the trial, remember 'lock her up'. The shafting of the Kurds is absolutely disgraceful. Without them the battle with ISIS would not have been won. This will rate as one of the worst betyrals in modern history.
rossie1977 wrote: » Most of these so called talking head conservatives on Youtube are bought and paid for by big corporations and the wealthy elite.
peddlelies wrote: » Unlike the liberals? I'm pretty sure the biggest one, Steven Crowder, is self funded. It was a big liberal corporation ( Vox ) that tried to get his channel shutdown.
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