Forty Seven wrote: » The SNP have been pushing for independence for my lifetime. The leadership care not a jot who it harms, only who it benefits. They have pushed for it right through periods of massive prosperity. Anyone arguing 'but it's different now' is surely having their cake and eating it too.
Committee chairman Olivier Lepretre said: “If there is a hard Brexit, I can assure you that not a single kilo of seafood or fish from Britain will get into France. “We would set up barricades. All the fishermen along the northern French coast will tell you the same thing.
Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: » The EU has so far unequivocally backed Ireland's position on not wanting a hard border for over 2 years at this stage. There isn't even the smallest crack that they will deviate from this position. They have to be commended. So many Brexit supporters on Twitter (not the greatest source) were saying how Ireland owed Britain because of the billions in loans given during the recession that helped save our economy. Firstly, Britain gave that loan out of self interest. Secondly, the loan is payed back with the interest on top. That was no 'favour' to us. Outside of any principled or political arguments. The facts are that Ireland's border counties are the poorest in the country. That's with a soft border. Customs posts will deprive those areas even more. Any Irish government or individual that is okay with a hard border can't be acting in good faith.
Forty Seven wrote: » Don't bet on it. Plenty of us unionists still around. Just because the indi campaign is active doesn't make it a done deal. Most of them are as bad as the worst of the leavers. No idea why they want indi. No idea what it will cost. Just an historical hatred of the English.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The threats begin...https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ireland-warned-to-expect-disruption-to-medicines-and-fishing-in-no-deal-brexit-jmrpl2lrw Don't have access to article though.
Ireland warned to expect disruption to medicines and fishing in no-deal Brexit new Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor | Henry Zeffman, Political Correspondent | The Times October 6 2019, 6:00pm, The Sunday Times The Republic of Ireland will face potential disruption of medical supplies, customs delays, the loss of fishing rights and a ban on the transport of horses to the UK in the event of a no-deal Brexit, a paper drawn up in Whitehall has warned. Michael Gove’s Brexit operations committee has compiled a list of the issues that Dublin will face in a no-deal Brexit, to be used as “leverage” during last-ditch discussions in the event that negotiations break down. The Times understands that issues raised by ministers include: • The fact that 60 per cent of Ireland’s medicines come from the UK. • Customs checks causing lengthy delays on the bridge to Holyhead, from where freight traffic travels to Ireland. • The potential loss of fishing rights off the coast of Northern Ireland. • Disruption to “equine transport” between the Republic and the UK. Ministers are also considering a range of “sweeteners” to offer Dublin, including a commitment to help fund the infrastructure needed to enforce customs checks between the North and South. Stephen Barclay, the Brexit secretary, suggested that Britain could amend its proposals to give Northern Irish parties a veto on the regulations that apply in the province after Brexit. Speaking this morning on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Mr Barclay said: “The key issue is the principle of consent. That’s why the backstop was rejected three times. That was the concern in terms of both sides in Northern Ireland not approving of the backstop. “So the key is the principle of consent. Now, of course in the mechanism, as part of the intensive negotiations, we can look at that and discuss that.” Mr Barclay reiterated that Northern Ireland giving consent to abiding by regulations set in Brussels was “the key issue of principle” but added that “we can obviously as part of the intense negotiations in the coming days discuss that mechanism”. Under the existing UK proposal, Northern Ireland’s Stormont assembly would vote every four years on whether to remain aligned with the EU’s single market rules for goods. But the Irish government opposes this, as does every major Northern Irish party but for the DUP, the Conservatives’ allies in Westminster. Asked if the government was “going to move” on its current proposal, Mr Barclay said: “Well, we’ve set out a broad landing zone, so in the detail of the negotiations of course we can get into the detail as to how operationally they work [and] what legal certainty is required by the commission as of October 31. “But the point is the commission themselves proposed customs checks away from the border, and in terms of the all-of-Ireland economy that would have had a bigger impact in terms of trade to Great Britain than it does to Northern Ireland.”
Leroy42 wrote: » Forty Seven wrote: » HRT shortages are nothing to do with brexit. It is a temporary production issues confirmed by manufacturers and has never been attributed to brexit. So there is a well known production shortage and you don't think that stockpiling due to the expected issues with Brexit are not going to make it worse?
Forty Seven wrote: » HRT shortages are nothing to do with brexit. It is a temporary production issues confirmed by manufacturers and has never been attributed to brexit.
Iderown wrote: » Shortages of medicine have already hit here in Northern Ireland. Herself is on Hormone Replacement Therapy and the prescriptions recently cannot be fully supplied be the local pharmacy. They blame Brexit inspired stockpiling by other outfits. Me, I well remember the problems we had here with political inspired industrial action in 1974. I keep an eye on supplies in the likes of ASDA and the queues at fuel filling stations. I almost hope that some panic buying would set in in England so that Boris could see what could result from his policies.
Iderown wrote: » Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Remember I read somewhere that disruption to medical supplies would hit NI too. Such a policy would likely push up support for reunification. Shortages of medicine have already hit here in Northern Ireland. Herself is on Hormone Replacement Therapy and the prescriptions recently cannot be fully supplied be the local pharmacy. They blame Brexit inspired stockpiling by other outfits. Me, I well remember the problems we had here with political inspired industrial action in 1974. I keep an eye on supplies in the likes of ASDA and the queues at fuel filling stations. I almost hope that some panic buying would set in in England so that Boris could see what could result from his policies.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Remember I read somewhere that disruption to medical supplies would hit NI too. Such a policy would likely push up support for reunification.
First Up wrote: » Why do people keep peddling this nonsense? Trichet was not making "demands". He was pointing out the inevitable consequences in the money markets if Ireland defaulted on commercial debt. And he helped us manage not to. The EU has thrown nobody under a bus; it has pulled a few members out from under the buses they found for themselves - and suggested how they could avoid doing so in future.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The threats begin...
MrMusician18 wrote: And indeed, least we forget Jean Claude Trichet promised that a bomb would go off in Dublin unless the Irish government acquiesced to his demands. That's solidarity with the ordinary Irish citizen yeah?
Forty Seven wrote: » I know. Hence my incredulity at everyone on here singing the praises of one while shouting shame at the other.
listermint wrote: » Your posting history through multiple threads is very much anti EU. You put a thin veneer on your questions that's evident. You conveniently side stepped my point about not throwing the Italians under the bus. And anyway brexit thread. The EU are with Ireland as everyone said they would and you've been talking it down as if they wouldn't for years. Still wrong
Forty Seven wrote: » They were campaigning to leave in a period of economic and political security not so long ago. Now they are using brexit as their own project fear. You can't have it both ways ...
Forty Seven wrote: » The promised loss of NI would likely turn many remainers to leave. That historical stone around our neck has been slowing us for a very long time. You guys are welcome to it. It's not a part of the union. Just a war trophy.
MrMusician18 wrote: » Say anything critical about the EU here and you're labeled as having anti EU bias. If you actually look through my posting history you'll actually see that I'm quite pro European, but I'm not so blinded by europhilla that I cannot see that national interests and common interests do not align. Migration as some say was not an EU competence, but the Dublin Accord, developed through the EU institutions has been a total failure. And indeed, least we forget Jean Claude Trichet promised that a bomb would go off in Dublin unless the Irish government acquiesced to his demands. That's solidarity with the ordinary Irish citizen yeah?
MrMusician18 wrote: » And indeed, least we forget Jean Claude Trichet promised that a bomb would go off in Dublin unless the Irish government acquiesced to his demands. That's solidarity with the ordinary Irish citizen yeah?
listermint wrote: » Your at least consistent in your anti EU bias. Amazing how Germany ... The often touted 'owner of the eu' has accepted hundreds of thousands of refugees' I mean considering your line of thought the owners of the EU wouldn't do that and would just push off responsibilities to other 'lesser' countries. No ?
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » The threats begin...https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ireland-warned-to-expect-disruption-to-medicines-and-fishing-in-no-deal-brexit-jmrpl2lrw
Forty Seven wrote: » I'm very serious, I live here. If you think brexiteers are stupid and uninformed why do you think the indi campaign is any different? They were campaigning to leave in a period of economic and political security not so long ago. Now they are using brexit as their own project fear. You can't have it both ways, this hardcore large percentage have wanted to break the union since long before brexit. Which is it?
The Republic of Ireland will face potential disruption of medical supplies, customs delays, the loss of fishing rights and a ban on the transport of horses to the UK in the event of a no-deal Brexit, a paper drawn up in Whitehall has warned. Michael Gove’s Brexit operations committee has compiled a list of the issues that Dublin will face in a no-deal Brexit, to be used as “leverage” during last-ditch discussions in the event that negotiations break down. The Times understands that issues raised by ministers include: • The fact that 60 per cent of Ireland’s medicines come from the UK. • Customs checks causing lengthy delays on the bridge to Holyhead, from where freight traffic travels to Ireland. • The potential loss of fishing… Want to read more?
20silkcut wrote: » Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Hard to see Scotland remaining in the UK much longer. They are essentially being taken out of the EU by England. If Scots feel the same about EU as Irish do I just can't see them accepting it in the short to medium term. The UK is a complete mess of contradictions now. It’s great though a possibility of a United ireland and the break up of the UK every cloud has a silver lining and I know a hard Brexit will be tough but it will be immensely satisfying to see both these occurrences in the aftermath of it.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Hard to see Scotland remaining in the UK much longer. They are essentially being taken out of the EU by England. If Scots feel the same about EU as Irish do I just can't see them accepting it in the short to medium term. The UK is a complete mess of contradictions now.
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