President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Overheal wrote: »

Wrong about what?

About everything, usually, but in this instance, you're wrong about Pelosi when you make the argument that she was right to say Schiff hadn't 'made up' what he said in that parody and to say he used the president's own words

You know you're wrong, you just won't admit it and would rather dance around it, defending the indefensible. Trump at no stage said, nor even suggested, that he wanted Zelensky to "make up dirt .. lots of it" on Biden. That's a bald faced lie, even by way of a parody. Congress is not The Daily Show.

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mad muffin wrote: »

Did you type that with a straight face? Lol.

The biggest tell?

Schiff won’t release the interview with Volker or the ICIG.

He will have to eventually. When that happens I fear for the people that think Trump is done for.

God it's like eating at the children's table at a wedding compared to the Regular Trump thread in Politics

mad muffin wrote: »

Did you type that with a straight face? Lol.

The biggest tell?

Schiff won’t release the interview with Volker or the ICIG.

He will have to eventually. When that happens I fear for the people that think Trump is done for.

You do not post in good faith.

Overheal wrote: »

Shiny nothing-shovel you have there.

You're a soapboxing shill that isn't posting in good faith.

Did you type that with a straight face? Lol.

The biggest tell?

Schiff won’t release the interview with Volker or the ICIG.

He will have to eventually. When that happens I fear for the people that think Trump is done for.

mad muffin wrote: »

I’m afraid that’s you and your side.

We have the call. Nothing.

We have Volker’s testimony. Blows up the Dems narrative. So again nothing.

Now we have ICIG testimony on Friday. Again nothing for the Dems. Except to confirm that Schiff is a material witness. Lol. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

The inquiry should be conducted by the judiciary committee not intelligence.

Why is it being conducted by intelligence? So it can be held behind closed door. Helps Schiff gaslight I would say more effectively but he is a complete incompetent.

So much coming out about the Dems corruption they can’t hold it back anymore.

Shiny nothing-shovel you have there.

You're a soapboxing shill that isn't posting in good faith.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Overheal, you're quoting the transcript as if it supports what you're saying, but it doesn't, quite the contrary in fact.

Ah here, now you're twisting what Pelosi said as you know you're wrong. Pelosi at no stage said that Schiff's parody was "based on..." Trump's words, she clearly said the parody was "USING" the president's words. 'Using' and 'based on' and two different things.

She's also saying Schiff did not "make it up" and we all know damn well that he did, as Trump at no stage asked Zelensky to "make up dirt .. lots of it" on Biden during that call.

Here is the clip on GMA's own Twitter page:

https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1179717036047421440

Admit you're wrong ffs.

Wrong about what? Your alt-right crowd are trying to make the House Democrats seem sinister when there isn't anything there.

Lest we forget Trump can yell "FAKE IMPEACHMENT! COUP! CIVIL WAR! WAR!" in all caps but god forbid anyone else convey the essence of the crime?

Overheal wrote: »

If that's what you got from the interview then you're quite in the tank for Trump. You're still trying to impregnate this alt-right 'alternative fact' that Pelosi/Schiff are trying to pass off a false verbatim.

The problem with that whole argument is its pointless: we have the Telcon and we have the whistleblower complaint.

I think you’ve worn out your shovel. Will I provide you a new one or are you deep enough?

Overheal wrote: »

You've shown to be both; reach for the stars.

If you think I've said anything false you're always welcome to supply your own countermanding evidence.

I’m afraid that’s you and your side.

We have the call. Nothing.

We have Volker’s testimony. Blows up the Dems narrative. So again nothing.

Now we have ICIG testimony on Friday. Again nothing for the Dems. Except to confirm that Schiff is a material witness. Lol. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

The inquiry should be conducted by the judiciary committee not intelligence.

Why is it being conducted by intelligence? So it can be held behind closed door. Helps Schiff gaslight I would say more effectively but he is a complete incompetent.

So much coming out about the Dems corruption they can’t hold it back anymore.

Overheal wrote: »

NANCY PELOSI:... it's using the president's own words.

NANCY PELOSI: ..he did not make it up.

Overheal, you're quoting the transcript as if it supports what you're saying, but it doesn't, quite the contrary in fact (the above two quotes are her doing what you're saying she didn't).

Overheal wrote: »

The nature of the call and the essence if you prefer is based on "the president's own words."

Ah here, now you're twisting what Pelosi said as you know you're wrong. Pelosi at no stage said that Schiff's parody was "based on..." Trump's words, she clearly said the parody was "USING" the president's words. 'Using' and 'based on' and two different things.

She's also saying Schiff did not "make it up" and we all know damn well that he did, as Trump at no stage asked Zelensky to "make up dirt .. lots of it" on Biden during that call.

Here is the clip on GMA's own Twitter page:

https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1179717036047421440

Admit you're wrong ffs.

mad muffin wrote: »

You keep posting this as if we can’t read what you posted the first time. She says it there. She thinks what Schiff said was the president’s own words… what’s that saying about the definition of insanity?

If that's what you got from the interview then you're quite in the tank for Trump. You're still trying to impregnate this alt-right 'alternative fact' that Pelosi/Schiff are trying to pass off a false verbatim.

The problem with that whole argument is its pointless: we have the Telcon and we have the whistleblower complaint.

Overheal wrote: »

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You talk about the dignity with which you handle this. You've seen the president's tweets. You've heard Republican's-- Leader McCarthy wants to censure Adam Schiff. I know you support Chairman Schiff. But-- was it-- was it right for him to have that dramatic-- reading of the president's-- interpretation of the president's-- transcript of the phone call at the hearing last week? Did that follow the kind of process you want?

NANCY PELOSI: I want the American people to know what that phone call was about. I want them to hear it on their-- on their iPhone or whatever. I want them to see it visually. Because this was an absolute betrayal of the American people, this phone call. It was a betrayal of our national security, it was a betrayal of the integrity of elections, it was a betrayal of our Constitution. So yeah, it's fair. It's sad. But it's using the president's own words. So if he's--

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, those weren't the president's words. It was an interpretation of the president's words.

NANCY PELOSI: Well, it was a-- you mean, the-- the note? The notes from the call, is that what you're telling me?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Yeah, when Adam Schiff went before the committee and said, "This is what the president was saying in essence." And it was-- basically a dramatic reading. They're saying he made this up.

NANCY PELOSI: He did not make it up. And-- and-- look, I want to tell you something. When I took the oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, as my colleagues have done as well, I did not say, "I will do this as long as the Republicans can understand the Constitution." So the fact that their loyalty is to Trump and not to the Constitution is not going to slow down-- or impair our ability to keep the republic-- keep the republic. And again as I've said, all those things that the president's about are for the election. That he's a coward when it comes to gun safety for our children, that he's cruel when it comes to Dreamers, when he's in denial when it comes to the climate crisis and the rest. When he-- the list goes on and on. Save that for the election. That's where you have that debate. That has nothing to do with this discussion. This discussion is about the facts of what happened and the Constitution and how it violates it.

You keep posting this as if we can’t read what you posted the first time. She says it there. She thinks what Schiff said was the president’s own words… what’s that saying about the definition of insanity?

mad muffin wrote: »

Better a soapboxer than a peddler of lies

You've shown to be both; reach for the stars.

If you think I've said anything false you're always welcome to supply your own countermanding evidence.

Overheal wrote: »

Just a soapboxer, then.

Better a soapboxer than a peddler of lies

Mitch McConnell fundraising on suggestion that he can be bought to block an Impeachment:

"Nancy Pelosi's in the clutches of a left wing mob. They finally convinced her to impeach the president. All of you know your Constitution, the way that impeachment stops is a Senate majority with me as majority leader," McConnell says in an ad that began running on Thursday.

"But I need your help. Please contribute before the deadline," McConnell continues in the ad.

McConnell's campaign, according to Facebook's ad library, began running the digital ads with the video on Sept. 27, three days after House Speaker Pelosi (D-Calif.) formally announced that House Democrats would launch an impeachment inquiry.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-vows-to-block-trump-impeachment-in-fundraising-pitch/ar-AAIhdxl

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

She said Schiff's "parody" were Trump's "own words" and that Schiff hadn't made it up, so show us all where Trump said to Zelensky:

As if you can't, then either Pelosi never read the phone call transcript, or she's a liar.

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You talk about the dignity with which you handle this. You've seen the president's tweets. You've heard Republican's-- Leader McCarthy wants to censure Adam Schiff. I know you support Chairman Schiff. But-- was it-- was it right for him to have that dramatic-- reading of the president's-- interpretation of the president's-- transcript of the phone call at the hearing last week? Did that follow the kind of process you want?

NANCY PELOSI: I want the American people to know what that phone call was about. I want them to hear it on their-- on their iPhone or whatever. I want them to see it visually. Because this was an absolute betrayal of the American people, this phone call. It was a betrayal of our national security, it was a betrayal of the integrity of elections, it was a betrayal of our Constitution. So yeah, it's fair. It's sad. But it's using the president's own words. So if he's--

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, those weren't the president's words. It was an interpretation of the president's words.

NANCY PELOSI: Well, it was a-- you mean, the-- the note? The notes from the call, is that what you're telling me?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Yeah, when Adam Schiff went before the committee and said, "This is what the president was saying in essence." And it was-- basically a dramatic reading. They're saying he made this up.

NANCY PELOSI: He did not make it up. And-- and-- look, I want to tell you something. When I took the oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, as my colleagues have done as well, I did not say, "I will do this as long as the Republicans can understand the Constitution." So the fact that their loyalty is to Trump and not to the Constitution is not going to slow down-- or impair our ability to keep the republic-- keep the republic. And again as I've said, all those things that the president's about are for the election. That he's a coward when it comes to gun safety for our children, that he's cruel when it comes to Dreamers, when he's in denial when it comes to the climate crisis and the rest. When he-- the list goes on and on. Save that for the election. That's where you have that debate. That has nothing to do with this discussion. This discussion is about the facts of what happened and the Constitution and how it violates it.

Overheal wrote: »

I had the wrong transcript so

She said what Schiff said in his "parody" were Trump's "own words" and that he hadn't made it up, so show us all where Trump said to Zelensky:

"I want you to MAKE UP DIRT on my opponent, understand, lots of it"

As if you can't, then either Pelosi never read the phone call transcript, or she's a liar.

mad muffin wrote: »

Sure…

Let’s get one thing absolutely clear. I’m not here to try and convince anyone. Especially a Trump hater.

Just a soapboxer, then.

Overheal wrote: »

See its not so hard to support your argument with evidence.

I can see why you didn't share it at first though, because at no point does she say it was a word for word reenactment.

Sure…

Let’s get one thing absolutely clear. I’m not here to try and convince anyone. Especially a Trump hater.

mad muffin wrote: »

Sorry it was ABC not 60 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDLhPcf8Ms

Pelosi Falsely Says Adam Schiff’s Interpretation Of Ukraine Transcript Was ‘The President’s Own Words’

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/03/pelosi-schiff-ukraine-transcript-real/

See its not so hard to support your argument with evidence.

I can see why you didn't share it at first though, because at no point does she say it was a word for word reenactment.

mad muffin wrote: »

Yeah sure no worries.

Look let’s be honest here. You don’t care for the truth. Just your truth. So good luck with that. We’ll see how it all works out

Your truth is based on little peppery one-liners "oh look Kerry is involved in this too somehow! I have no links!"

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1179769071845265419

I had the wrong transcript so;

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-exclusive-interview-speaker/story?id=66061278

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You talk about the dignity with which you handle this. You've seen the president's tweets. You've heard Republican's-- Leader McCarthy wants to censure Adam Schiff. I know you support Chairman Schiff. But-- was it-- was it right for him to have that dramatic-- reading of the president's-- interpretation of the president's-- transcript of the phone call at the hearing last week? Did that follow the kind of process you want?

NANCY PELOSI: I want the American people to know what that phone call was about. I want them to hear it on their-- on their iPhone or whatever. I want them to see it visually. Because this was an absolute betrayal of the American people, this phone call. It was a betrayal of our national security, it was a betrayal of the integrity of elections, it was a betrayal of our Constitution. So yeah, it's fair. It's sad. But it's using the president's own words. So if he's--

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, those weren't the president's words. It was an interpretation of the president's words.

NANCY PELOSI: Well, it was a-- you mean, the-- the note? The notes from the call, is that what you're telling me?

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Yeah, when Adam Schiff went before the committee and said, "This is what the president was saying in essence." And it was-- basically a dramatic reading. They're saying he made this up.

NANCY PELOSI: He did not make it up. And-- and-- look, I want to tell you something. When I took the oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, as my colleagues have done as well, I did not say, "I will do this as long as the Republicans can understand the Constitution." So the fact that their loyalty is to Trump and not to the Constitution is not going to slow down-- or impair our ability to keep the republic-- keep the republic. And again as I've said, all those things that the president's about are for the election. That he's a coward when it comes to gun safety for our children, that he's cruel when it comes to Dreamers, when he's in denial when it comes to the climate crisis and the rest. When he-- the list goes on and on. Save that for the election. That's where you have that debate. That has nothing to do with this discussion. This discussion is about the facts of what happened and the Constitution and how it violates it.

She doesn't say it was word for word. She doesn't even disagree with Stephanopoulos that it was the saying in essence; "They're saying he made this up." "He did not make it up." The nature of the call and the essence if you prefer is based on "the president's own words."

Overheal wrote: »

You're peddling conspiratorial gaslighting nonsense. Obama has nothing to do with Trump's impeachment, Obama had nothing to do with Trump's political investigation - he only targeted Joe Biden.

Yeah sure no worries.

Look let’s be honest here. You don’t care for the truth. Just your truth. So good luck with that. We’ll see how it all works out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDLhPcf8Ms

Sorry it was ABC not 60 minutes.

Pelosi Falsely Says Adam Schiff’s Interpretation Of Ukraine Transcript Was ‘The President’s Own Words’

https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/03/pelosi-schiff-ukraine-transcript-real/

https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/status/1179769071845265419

Overheal wrote: »

Where did she say that?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1175190974391144448

I see you've relegated your contributions in this thread to The Peanut Gallery. Hello up there

mad muffin wrote: »

Don’t forget Obama’s administration colluding with Hillary in conjunction with Ukrainian to interfere in the 2016 election.

You're peddling conspiratorial gaslighting nonsense. Obama has nothing to do with Trump's impeachment, Obama had nothing to do with Trump's political investigation - he only targeted Joe Biden.

mad muffin wrote: »

So you have Biden strong arming Ukraine.

At the behest of the GOP, State Department, EU, and IMF

You have his son with Ukrainian gas all over his nose.

Translation for normal people: he joined a company in Ukraine, Burisma, years after it underwent investigation for tax schemes.

You have Kerry’s son in there too

Lost me here. And the relevance?

And now the bow on top… Pelosi’s son has ties to Ukraine. And Pelosi is also on video endorsing him.

In case you hasn't noticed: everyone has ties to Ukraine - including Trump. Flynn? Popadopalous? It's almost as if Crimea was annexed by a world power and Ukraine suddenly became an important relationship to NATO. :rolleyes:

Schiff lies to Congress by reading out a fake transcript

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_or_Debate_Clause

Used to spectacularly tasteless effect by both parties.

Schiff lies on TV that “we” never had contact with the whistle blower.

Schiff made it clear the committee had not impaneled the Whistleblower. The IC Whistleblower-1 contacted a House Intelligence Committee staffer as federal whistleblowers are trained to do (especially as it pertains to the IC): https://www.dni.gov/ICIG-Whistleblower/process-how.html

Pelosi let’s slip on 60 minutes that she already knew about this. Hence jumping the gun on this “authorised impeachment inquiry”.

See above

Pelosi then also on 60 minutes say that the transcript Schiff read was word for word what Trump said in the phone call.

Where did she say that? Here is the 60 minutes video, and the full transcript. Couldn't substantiate your claim: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nancy-pelosi-on-trump-impeachment-inquiry-ukraine-president-phone-call-and-the-whistleblower-in-60-minutes-interview/

Call me Al

Cody montana wrote: »

Look over here. ————>

Because over here there are now multiple whistleblowers. :-)
Deflect deflect deflect ad nauseam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFh1YJynGA

Overheal wrote: »

Law firms solicit complainants all the time. They even do it on television. Are you Irish? Perhaps you weren't aware how the US legal system works in practice.

Don’t forget Obama’s administration colluding with Hillary in conjunction with Ukrainian to interfere in the 2016 election.

Those that colluded in Ukraine went on trial and are now in prison. There even a tape of them discussing it.

Trump is gathering all the evidence. They are running scared.

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-...krainian-government-torpedo-joe-bidens-story/

Within a week of Shokin’s firing, Burisma’s legal team met with Ukrainian officials and according to the Ukrainian government’s official memo of the meeting, offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutor. Solomon reports that the legal team’s efforts to secure this meeting began the same day Shokin’s firing was announced.