Roger_007 wrote: » That was an incredibly stupid statement for Leo to make. It just hands ammunition to the hard Brexiteers. Leo should just leave the talking to Coveney.
mrbrianj wrote: » But there is some merit in what he said, and its something that people in England could do well to take on board. They have voted to leave the EU - but at the same time a sizeable number want to stay - but and crucially, in a Union of countries like the UK - Englands desire is not the same as Scotlands or Northern Ireland's - but what England wants England gets. It is a clear contrast with the approach of the EU - I'm sure some large countries are ready to agree a deal, but wont because one smaller country does not desire that deal.
Roger_007 wrote: » That was an incredibly stupid statement for Leo to make.
VinLieger wrote: » They are going to complain about something and target someone no matter what happens, its far better to know what it will be and who it will be against.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » Apart from everything else, he got "The British people want to Remain" onto every newspaper front page. Good job.
GM228 wrote: » An interesting statistic on Google, that no one Googled "no deal" until after the referendum:-https://twitter.com/JohnDalton6011/status/1137346595744337920?s=19 Is it a surprise?
GM228 wrote: » Just a reminder that the substantive proceedings in the Outer House start this morning:- The petition for today's hearing:-https://www.dropbox.com/s/h2wjktj5yb1zods/Petition%20as%20lodged%20-%20order%20for%20specific%20performance%20by%20PM.PDF?dl=0 And the petition for Tuesday's hearing in the Inner House (which will also no doubt deal with an appeal on today's action - the judgement for which will be on Monday):-https://www.dropbox.com/s/c2nr48i6feg0v0t/Final%20adjusted%20NO%20Petition.pdf?dl=0
GM228 wrote: » An interesting statistic on Google, that "no deal" was not Googled until after the referendum:-https://twitter.com/JohnDalton6011/status/1137346595744337920?s=19 Is it a surprise?
john9876 wrote: » It's a surprise to me, maybe even a shock. I thought the figures would be low but that is incredible.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » This is the same issue across the whole western world. Less and less protest on important issues because the newer generations have their eyeballs screwed to their smartphones all the time.
Patser wrote: » If Johnson's plan did come in (I know, I know), could the veto power of the Northen Assembly prove to be a poison chalice for the DUP - Northern farmers and businesses would already be getting shafted in the plan as is, so knowing that whoever is in the assembly has the power to make it worse, could force them the shift dramatically from voting for the DUP if they looked to be triggering their veto.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » He'a also right. The latest poll shows that Remain has a 10% lead over Leave. And that Leave can be further split into Hard and Soft Leavers.
mrbrianj wrote: » Roger_007 wrote: » That was an incredibly stupid statement for Leo to make. It just hands ammunition to the hard Brexiteers. Leo should just leave the talking to Coveney. But there is some merit in what he said, and its something that people in England could do well to take on board. They have voted to leave the EU - but at the same time a sizeable number want to stay - but and crucially, in a Union of countries like the UK - Englands desire is not the same as Scotlands or Northern Ireland's - but what England wants England gets. It is a clear contrast with the approach of the EU - I'm sure some large countries are ready to agree a deal, but wont because one smaller country does not desire that deal.
Hurrache wrote: » This is mental. So at a celebration of the anniversary of German unity Gove does this.https://twitter.com/PeterRNeumann/status/1179824942021566468?s=19
Thargor wrote: » You can feel the crazy starting to really roll in now like Storm Lorenzo:https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1179712281627766784 (Thats what Jo Coxs' murderer was shouting when he killed her if you didnt know)
swampgas wrote: » The angrier they get the more he is hitting a nerve, and the more they wish he would just shut up and stop reminding people of inconvenient facts. Let them rage away, we don't need to be afraid of their nasty little tantrums. Seriously, all this tip-toeing round them makes me sick.
liamtech wrote: » I agree with you but like i said previously - The Polls still show a solid Tory/Brexit party % in the Election Polls, which is FPTP Remain may be a Majority overall, but Brexit will tactically win in a general election - unlessCorbyn and Swinson come to some accomodation, before the election preferably The SNP take every seat north of Hadrians wall The Unionist Community realize the the DUP would happily watch NI Starve, if it preserved the precious union - and voted accordingly (UUP, PUP Alliance Non aggression Pact would also help in this matter) How likely are any of these things? the only alternative would be a caretaker to come in and prior to a general election, put in place a law for a second referendum - This could theoretically damage the Tories/Brexit because if they ran on a 'WE WILL CANCEL THIS', they leave themselves open to being attacked as undemocratic - Which scenario is more likely?? Honestly interested in peoples opinion
Hurrache wrote: » I think the biggest issue with this, that seems to have gone by unnoticed, is that there was a statement from the UK government at the time of the GFA saying they won't be claiming NI as theirs from then on (despite the republic acknowledging NI is part of the UK) or something like that. I must try dig it out. edit: I think this is what I'm thinking of, from Wikipedia The UK riding roughshod over the GFA as if it doesn't even exist.
LeinsterDub wrote: » https://twitter.com/bbclornag/status/1180079013869608960 So the government will ask for an extension? Perhaps Johnson doesn't do it himself , I can't see any other wriggle room to get around the Benn Act. Barring perhaps the ask for an extension , get one and then just unilaterally leave on the 31st . Is this possible / legal?
Enzokk wrote: » That is unfair. When the youth come out to protest they are lambasted as the laziest and most entitled generation who only has their heads in their smartphones. This generation has to deal with a Global financial crash and climate emergency that they had no hand in. Their parents has decided it is proper to elect people like Trump and Johnson to be leaders who will shape their worlds. And they get the blame for not ripping up their streets in protest? We have to see what the voter turnout is during the next election but when you are young I don't think you need to worry yourself about the world around you, at least I didn't. But they next generation has a chance in the next election to change the narrative if they get out to vote. That is their protest and they need to use it.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » The key to the next GE is Brexit and The Brexit Party. People are firmly entrenched and now see Brexit as a matter of honour, especially Leave voters. It's a point of principle that cannot be ceded no matter what the realities. So, Leave voters will vote for parties that will deliver Brexit and other issues will be relatively unimportant. The Brexit Party is at about 12% currently. They are a single issue party whose sole raison d'etre is to leave the EU immediately - so staunch Leavers will flock to them. If Johnson can steal their clothes, then he has a very good chance of a large overall majority. Ditto if he can persuade them to be tactical when putting up candidates or if he strikes a coalition deal with them. Other than that, he's in serious trouble if they field candidates in all constituencies.
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