NotToScale wrote: » I'm probably being ludicrously petty, but on the off chance that customs centres get built, can we at least name then in honor of key Brexiteers? There's Boris busses, Boris bikes... How about a Boris Border? The Tories and the DUP need to own their Brexit. It's grossly unfai r to steal their limelight by accepting any kind of credit for it in Ireland or the EU. They've worked so hard to do so much damage, the least they deserve is full naming rights of the border infrastructure.
salonfire wrote: » I'm going to be devil's advocate here and look at the proposals for the UK POV. - Customs checkpoints near the border. If they are random in nature, so what? We already have checkpoints where they check for red diesel. There's also checkpoints where Gardai board buses to check immigration status of people who crossed the border. People with northern reg cars are already stopped regularly and questioned about their work and residence. Business will have to comply with customs tariffs. Again, so what? They already have to deal with different currency changes and VAT rates. Car dealers have to impose VRT on their imports. -The Single Market If NI wants to stay aligned with the EU, then it's up to the electorate there to ensure the balance of power is not given to the DUP. If they continue to elect the DUP knowing that they will pull away from the EU, then that's the electorate's wish. Unlikely to happen given the reaction from all sections of NI apart from DUP. If it does, they built their own hard border.
salonfire wrote: » I'm going to be devil's advocate here and look at the proposals for the UK POV. - Customs checkpoints near the border. If they are random in nature, so what? We already have checkpoints where they check for red diesel. There's also checkpoints where Gardai board buses to check immigration status of people who crossed the border. People with northern reg cars are already stopped regularly and questioned about their work and residence. Business will have to comply with customs tariffs. Again, so what? They already have to deal with different currency changes and VAT rates. Car dealers have to impose VRT on their imports.
-The Single Market If NI wants to stay aligned with the EU, then it's up to the electorate there to ensure the balance of power is not given to the DUP. If they continue to elect the DUP knowing that they will pull away from the EU, then that's the electorate's wish. Unlikely to happen given the reaction from all sections of NI apart from DUP. If it does, they built their own hard border.
liamtech wrote: » So if we ignore the other possibilities Revoke A50 No Deal Brexit a Deal based on Johnsons ideas (i know.. lets try and hold the laughter for now) The General Election seems the most likely outcome - and many people believe it will solve nothing and will return a fairly hung parliament. The problem is that i believe there is a significant chance that it will solve the problem, but not in the way we hope. There is Every chance of a Conservative majority, or a Tory/Brexit Party supported MajorityThe Labor Party. Let me be clear i admire Corbyn and i agree with his policies - he is a proper lefty, unlike the Blairite champagne socialism that came before - Unfortunately this is not what is needed right now in the UK, in terms of winning a majority and ousting the Tories - Corbyn's seemingly extreme measures that he is spouting daily (doing away with private schools, nationalizations, taxing the rich) - its fantastic to a lefty like me - but there are 3 sections within the British Electorate now - Labor Supporters, Tory Right Wing supporters, and the middle ground - and a cleavage running through each of these along Leave/Remain lines - So Jeremy can be delighted with cheers at his conference, but he is clearly not appealing to the middle, and certainly not the right - Corbyn is a fantastic Socialist, but he is not a politician - he is a campaign activist - and he is not making up any ground in the middle - and in terms of Brexit Policy, Labor is about as clear as the view from my window during a snow storm - This election is about Brexit - and what is Labors Brexit policy? It would need a few large diagrams and a thesis to explain that here The Lib Dems - Under Swinson they have made a break through in the polls - but unfortunately it is at labors expense - Swinsons intransigence against labor in its current form negates the possibility of working together before or after the election - So if there is a split in the Uk GE, its clearly gonna be a center/center-Left split, which will destroy the remain/soft-Brexit Block in the HOC - The Lib Dems are now more appealing to Remain Voters, and the more moderate Left wing voters will flock in their direction, as opposed to Corbyns - Torys/Brexit party - lets be clear, despite everything they are polling well - They are robbing each others votes but i think a split/collapse is unlikely - even with BoJo refusing a non aggression pact, its obvious that Farage is gonna target Labor, the Lib Dems, and weak/soft Tories - This will mean that the next HOC will more than likely have a greater hard Brexit Block within it and even if not an outright coalition, they will co-operate, especially if its a no Deal If the Labor party and the Lib Dems worked together all of this could be avoided - But Swinson is convinced she has a chance of carrying a REAL electoral breakthrough, so i cant see her changing sails now - and Corbyn? No he is generally unlikely to do anything differently - these two remain/softer blocks wont work together and will weaken one another in the GE - remember this is a FPTP system The only area's where Remain/Softer-Brexit might make ground, in my opinion are:Scotland - i think the SNP will take the vast majority, if not ALL of the seats north of Hadrian's wall - Scotland Conservatism was on the downward spiral - Ruth Davidson throwing in the towel, for me anyway, spells there collapse in the next election Northern Ireland - those of us that watched the View last night will have seen that the DUP are totally alone in the north - all of the other Unionist blocks are against BoJo's non-deal and there is a chance, however remote that the DUP may lose their seats to the UUP or the Alliance - the DUP have infuriated moderate Unionism with this 'Worst of Both Worlds' deal - and alienated the Hard Unionist voters by 'selling out' Il be interested to see what everyone has to say but it is not looking good in my humble opinion unless a caretaker comes in and extends for a Second referendum, then whatever returns Post GE, will hold the whip hand, and its looking like said post GE HOC will be Pro Hard Brexit, as opposed to soft/remain
briany wrote: » Boris Johnson's speech to the DUP at the Tory conference was just sad. "Northern Ireland is a part of the UK, and let it remain so forever! Let it it remain so forever!" (from audience) "No surrender, Boris!" Christ almighty. The days of a neutral stance toward Northern Ireland are long gone. This is going to get considerably worse before it gets better.
As part of the agreement, the British parliament repealed the Government of Ireland Act 1920 (which had established Northern Ireland, partitioned Ireland and asserted a territorial claim over all of Ireland) and the people of the Republic of Ireland amended Articles 2 and 3 of the Constitution of Ireland, which asserted a territorial claim over Northern Ireland.
the power of the sovereign government with jurisdiction there shall be exercised with rigorous impartiality on behalf of all the people in the diversity of their identities and traditions and shall be founded on the principles of full respect for, and equality of, civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights, of freedom from discrimination for all citizens, and of parity of esteem and of just and equal treatment for the identity, ethos and aspirations of both communities.
prawnsambo wrote: » Philippe Lamberts (or as I call him: M. Bullsh1t) is always able to accurately get to the heart of the matter. He just nails it every time.
Roger_007 wrote: » Even in the event of the Assembly, (if it were functioning), initially approving the plan, the DUP could scupper it after 4 years by exercising their effective veto.
Patser wrote: » If Johnson's plan did come in (I know, I know), could the veto power of the Northen Assembly prove to be a poison chalice for the DUP - Northern farmers and businesses would already be getting shafted in the plan as is, so knowing that whoever is in the assembly has the power to make it worse, could force them the shift dramatically from voting for the DUP if they looked to be triggering their veto.
liamtech wrote: » There is Every chance of a Conservative majority, or a Tory/Brexit Party supported Majority
prawnsambo wrote: » The damage is done though. It would take an election to change things in Stormont and I don't think they would change that radically in the DUP heartlands. And of course as pointed out above, they can exercise their veto immediately. That's it, game over.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Varadkar getting pilloried on TalkRadio atm for saying polls show UK might want to remain. He seems to have a knack of getting up the nose of ERG voter types. With Juncker and Tusk on the way out they have to hone in on someone I guess.
Roger_007 wrote: » That was an incredibly stupid statement for Leo to make. It just hands ammunition to the hard Brexiteers. Leo should just leave the talking to Coveney.
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