SJW Lover wrote: » Says the man himself who turns into a disingenuous pedant when his opinions are being challenged.
Overheal wrote: » Nope. You're being moronic.
mcmoustache wrote: » Were any of the other impeachments in good faith?
SJW Lover wrote: » It is quite simple Overheal. Impeachment is a process and not, by its nature, a coup. However, if the impeachment process is being utilised in bad faith to engineer a change of president, then it can absolutely be called a coup. The disingenuousness of you too is unreal.
SJW Lover wrote: » This impeachment is the next step on from the Mueller farce and is being pushed by the same people, namely Adam Schiff. You're the moron who has dedicated his life to regurgitate utter crap on this site for the past 3 years because you hate the Donald and are annoyed you got 2016 so wrong after all the prose you wrote.
mcmoustache wrote: » Time for another MSNBC/CNN remark?
Overheal wrote: » :rolleyes:
Overheal wrote: » So let's play:
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Did you miss the word if (and what followed it)? I guess so.
SJW Lover wrote: » Na, you're grand.
Overheal wrote: » So then we agree it's not a coup. Thank you!
notobtuse wrote: » Is there a term for the abuse of procedures?
SJW Lover wrote: » And if your grounds for impeachment are baseless and invented to engineer impeachment, then it absolutely is a coup.
cnocbui wrote: » Business as usual, Republican stylie.
Meanwhile, new encrypted text messages obtained by Fox News show Volker and other U.S. officials battling internally last month over whether Trump was engaged in a "quid pro quo" with Ukraine as he pressed for the country to look into the Biden family, while holding back U.S. aid. The texts with Volker, U.S. Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland and Chargé d’Affaires of the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine Bill Taylor indicate that the nature of a potential arrangement between the U.S. and Ukraine was a matter of dispute. "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign," Taylor said in a text exchange. Sondland responded by saying that was not what was happening. "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo's of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign."
Overheal wrote: » https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/poll-trump-impeachment-support-grows-removal-over-ukraine/3846565002/ Latest USA-Today/Ipsos survey says 45% vs 38% of Americans say Donald Trump should be impeached over the Ukraine scandal By the same poll 44% vs 35% say the US Senate should subsequently vote to convict Trump of articles of impeachment and have him removed from office. A USA-Today/Suffolk poll in June found that impeachment was 61% v 32% against. This is a radical swing.
SJW Lover wrote: » Edit: to add, that was one of the most pathetic posts i have seen on this site.
Overheal wrote: » https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1179768387242745856?s=20
McCarthy wants Pelosi to commit to a credible process that allows for a true judicial approach to the question of impeachment. That includes an extensive resolution adopted by the whole House outlining “transparent and equitable rules and procedures,” including the following: * Co-equal subpoena power to the committee chair and ranking member * Right for Donald Trump’s counsel to attend all committee hearings and depositions, to present evidence, and to cross-examine witnesses * Allow the president’s legal team to present its own evidence “By answering ‘no’ to any of the above,” McCarthy concludes, “you would create a process completely devoid of any merit or legitimacy.”
If Pelosi allows Schiff to run a kangaroo court without any appearance of due process to produce articles of impeachment, it will give Senate Republicans plenty of justification for a quick dismissal to its impeachment trial afterward.
it’s going to be a major problem for Pelosi[...] just to get impeachment past a floor vote.
notobtuse wrote: » The request gives Pelosi a way to kick crazies Schiff and Nadler out of their roles and put in some reasonable Congressmen and women in instead. Did Republicans just capture the Democrat's queen?
Overheal wrote: » https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1179778155340603392?s=20 He calls for 'equitable rules and procedures' to be established - they have: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-116/pdf/HMAN-116.pdf Impeachment is mentioned in Congressional rules 283 times. They've covered this chapter in American history before. Rules are established. He's upset that minority Republicans enjoy no subpoeana power at this time, which would need a floor vote. Articles of Impeachment pass by simple majority.
Dear Leader McCarthy, As Members of Congress, we take a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The existing rules of the House provide House Committees with full authority to conduct investigations for all matters under their jurisdiction, including impeachment investigations. There is no requirement under the Constitution, under House Rules, or House precedent that the whole House vote before proceeding with an impeachment inquiry.As you know, our Founders were specifically intent on ensuring that foreign entities did not undermine the integrity of our elections. I received your letter this morning shortly after the world witnessed President Trump on national television asking yet another foreign power to interfere in the upcoming 2020 elections. We hope you and other Republicans share our commitment to following the facts, upholding the Constitution, protecting our national security, and defending the integrity of our elections at such a serious moment in our nation’s history. best regards, NANCY PELOSI Speaker of the House
