enoughtaken wrote: » Munster Hurling Championship fixtures 2020 9-10 May: Cork v Limerick; Waterford v Tipperary 16-17 May: Limerick v Waterford; Tipperary v Clare 23-24 or 29-30 May: Clare v Limerick, Waterford v Cork 6-7 June: Cork v Clare, Limerick v Tipperary 14 June: Clare v Waterford, Tipperary v Cork
Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: » When are the league fixtures due out? Could be some dodgy away trips as far as I remember.
thesaturdayman wrote: » probably need to write off the league, imagine therell be a lot of trial and error, doubt this manager will be trying to hit the high notes in the league as he has nothing to prove to us. Fanning was probably under pressure from the off and needed a good league (and got it!) but evidently the league and champ are going further and further apart in terms of relevance. for me the big thing jumps out (and its not a dig) is the county board cramming fixtures into "club month" in April. should leave the dam thing free for county imo! looking at last 2 years disastrous, only commonality is the purge of fixtures JB, TDB all playing 4 weekends in a row for eg!
PTH2009 wrote: » Mick Dempsey stepping away from Kilkenny, could he be coming here as S&C coach ??
hardybuck wrote: » Be sensible now. Stepping down from 16 years with Kilkenny to take a role with Waterford!?
DiscoStew wrote: » I’d be inclined to agree on the April club games. I think it makes more sense to start your league games in say May minus the intercounty players and play that through the summer every second weekend basically. Start championship in September then. As it is ordinary club players bust their balls from Jan to April for what is often just 1 championship game. Some will have more and I think Ballysaggart even possibly ended up without a fixture in April this year due to Waterford reaching the league final and the subsequent postponement of 1 round of hurling. The only way this could possibly work is with a hugely incentivised league. The league as it is would not work as the rewards are realistically not worth the effort. How to restructure that though I am not quite so sure.
mountgomery burns wrote: » The problem though, and listening to GPA reps talking about second tier football competition was the same, is you're forgetting dual clubs. There was 3 games played in April for those Senior dual clubs this year. It was grand this year as we'd all the time in the world but if we were for progress as far as we'd like then suddenly congestion is a big issue. I'm not a fan of cramming games into April either and the a summer hiatus but unfortunately this is the biggest challenge the organisation as a whole currently faces and there is no easy solution. As Saturdayman pointed out in fairness, it's not fair on County players either. But they're the minority all the same.
Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: » Can anyone name an outside manager before Gerald McCarthy? I'm not as old as the rest of ye and just wondering!
willbeuptuesday wrote: » 2. County players can join the league once Waterford are out, this will improve the standard.
Giveitfong wrote: » The second time they replaced him with Georgie Leahy, who was probably the worst manager Waterford ever had. He was from Danesfort. I met a woman once who was from there and when I mentioned Leahy to her she spat out "that useless yoke!". They should have interviewed her before they appointed him!
Mastermcgrath wrote: » Well that woman, along with your good self giveitfong should show a little less ignorance. If the late Georgie Leahy (A James Stephens man through and through, not Danesfort) is defined by many in Waterford as being the manager the day they were beat by Kerry, his legacy in many other areas is legendary. Won all Ireland club titles with both James Stephens and Glenmore, managed Laois to a Leinster final in1981 where they were beat by a single point. Also went into manage a great Offaly team in the 80s aswell as Wexford, numerous other counties. Won countless club titles at all different grades in his native Kilkenny and other counties across the country. Did tireless work promoting and coaching work in non hurling counties over a 50 year career span. I’m quite sure he won a championship game with Waterford over Clare on 1992 aswell so to say he was our worst ever manager is extremely hollow (try Paraic Fanning) I was actually embarrassed at the way a guy of Georgie’s stature was treated in Waterford and what he must have thought of the shambles of hurling in the county at the time, and the notions of the locals to boot.
PTH2009 wrote: » Fannings reign will be remembered by getting us to a league final in Croke Park in which we were well beaten
Giveitfong wrote: » It appears I was wrong about George Leahy being from Danesfort, but I am not wrong about what the woman from Danesfort said about Leahy. And whatever about Leahy’s achievements as a coach elsewhere, I still regard him as probably the worst manager Waterford ever had. Two of the best talents from the Waterford Under 21 team that won the All-Ireland in 1992, Johnny Brenner and Growler Daly, dropped out during Leahy’s time in charge of Waterford. Brenner was a massive loss. He made a huge impact when he came into the Waterford senior team in 1991. I remember him being particularly brilliant in his first game for Waterford, in the league against Kilkenny in Walsh Park, and later in the year against Galway in Ballinasloe. That year Waterford were unlucky to lose by a flukey goal to Cork in the Munster championship. In 1992, the first year of George Leahy’s period in charge of Waterford, Brenner dropped off the panel, mainly to focus on his university studies. He did make himself available for the Munster semi-final against Limerick but was not used in a game which Waterford again lost by a goal. He remained on the panel for the 1992-93 league, but dropped out at the end of it. That was the year Waterford lost in the first round of the championship to Kerry in Walsh Park. Brenner, a very intelligent and calculating person, made no secret of his view of Leahy in an interview with Kieran Shannon in the Irish Independent in April 2000. When Leahy came in, he was “old school in approach. There was no warm-up before games; it was all pride and passion.'' Brenner decided to put his studies ahead of his hurling career. He said “the set-up in Waterford was ridiculous. There was never a feeling that we were ever going to do anything.” As Shannon put it: “A student of science, Brenner knew there was little scientific about Waterford’s approach.” Quoting Brenner: “I wasn't going to play inter-county hurling for a joke of a team, fail my exams and end up with nothing.'' Brenner made a couple of comeback attempts after Leahy departed the scene, but was never able to get back to the level he was at in 1991 and 1992. Waterford had a good senior team in those years, and with the 1992 under 21 stars coming on board, they should have been able to make the breakthrough five years before they eventually did. Instead, under Leahy, they went into reverse. Who knows what we might have achieved under a different manager, and with Brenner and Growler both in the team.
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