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Retr0gamer

Hmm let's see how a thread like this works.

Anyway for the first post I'd like to let people know that ATB podcast with its host Kat Bailey is back on 1up. The first episode might be Western RPG focused but the podcast is well worth a listen.

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Xenji

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I heard DQ3 is fantastic.

DQ2 apparently is very difficult and also it's a bit too open and obtuse so you don't know where you are going.

DQ 2 is not that big of a jump in size, it has about 5 more areas than DQ 1, DQ 3 is the biggest jump in size as it has about 28 areas which would be more than double DQ 2.

megaten

Retr0gamer wrote: »

DQ2 apparently is very difficult and also it's a bit too open and obtuse so you don't know where you are going.

That's true but the game map is small enough that its not a major issue. I think I only needed to consult an FAQ maybe twice.

Retr0gamer

I heard DQ3 is fantastic.

DQ2 apparently is very difficult and also it's a bit too open and obtuse so you don't know where you are going.

megaten

DQ1 is the mobile port I enjoyed the most. It structure is really pick up and play friendly. DQ3 is just a little too complex to casually play on my phone.

Retr0gamer

I'm enjoying Dragon Quest 1 way more than I thought. I've not much time to play games so I'm playing DQ1 a lot more than DQ11 as it's just so easy to switch on and grind for a bit before bed. I enjoyed it a few years ago as well and it still holds up. It's very basic but also short enough that it doesn't become boring.

Retr0gamer

PostWoke wrote: »

It really wasn't, better than all tropey animu stories. Look at Type 0, very similar story, warring military academies, but its' generally reviled.

People harp on about small bits of the stories, memory loss etc., but that's such an overplayed meme at this point.

Eh... it's dripping with anime tropey writing. It's a god awful story with bad characters and massive leaps in logic.

It's saving grace is that it belts along at a blistering pace so never gets in the way of the game much but I wouldn't call it good.

Sephiroth_dude

Finished Tocs tonight, put 125 hours into it, straight onto Tocs 2 now, I really enjoyed the first game.

PostWoke

Retr0gamer wrote: »

No it wasn't. The story was just utter ****e.

It really wasn't, better than all tropey animu stories. Look at Type 0, very similar story, warring military academies, but its' generally reviled.

People harp on about small bits of the stories, memory loss etc., but that's such an overplayed meme at this point.

noodler wrote: »

Fairytale ending more like

You're going to have to elaborate for me.

Sephiroth_dude

megaten wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if TOCS IV didn't come out in English. There was a bidding war for III so someone will pickup the sequel.

A bidding war ? wow!

Retr0gamer

PostWoke wrote: »

? VIII's ending was very conclusive and satisfying.

No it wasn't. The story was just utter ****e.

noodler

PostWoke wrote: »

? VIII's ending was very conclusive and satisfying.

Fairytale ending more like

PostWoke

Retr0gamer wrote: »

FFX is one of the most complete games in the series in terms of story. Outside of FF Tactics it's the only one that really comes to a satisfying conclusion

? VIII's ending was very conclusive and satisfying.

megaten

I'd be very surprised if TOCS IV didn't come out in English. There was a bidding war for III so someone will pickup the sequel.

Sephiroth_dude

On the last chapter of TOCS, will probably finish it over the weekend and get stuck into the second game then, the third game is out this month but are they releasing a forth game in the series ?

Retr0gamer

Might be worth trying the 16-bit ones. I'd be careful which versions you get though as the PS1 versions are ruined with awful load times.

FF4 is fantastic. It's short but paced so well because of it. The story is very simple but it's just so much fun. The PSP version would be the best although the DS/PC release is very good, but it's more like a harder remix of the original and recommended if you played FF4 first.

FF5 has a very simple story but a wonderfully broken job system.

And FF6 would be a lot of peoples favourite in the series and rightfully so. It's just an amazing RPG, good story with a great villain. And that soundtrack. It has a fantastic opening half with a non linear second half which has you collecting characters for you party and completing loads of worthwhile side quests.

If you like the FFXII soundtrack check out the FFTactics soundtrack. It's Hitoshi Sakimoto as well and I feel it's an even stronger OST. (And vagrant Story, not FF but it's my favourite Sound track of Sakimotos)

skerry

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Grandia in my opinion has the best battle system of any RPG. Even when battles get samey there's still the challenge to beat battles without taking any damage if you are good enough.

FFX is one of the most complete games in the series in terms of story. Outside of FF Tactics it's the only one that really comes to a satisfying conclusion although on my recent replay it's a lot more obviously rushed than I remembered, especially the pathetic post game.

I hated FF12 but really really enjoyed zodiac age. Take your time with it and do the side quests as they are loads of fun.

Will definitely put Grandia collection on my list so. Been looking at a good few youtube clips on FF12 and I'm liking the Star Wars vibe, will see how much of a learning curve the gambit system is. Listening to the soundtrack the last few days and its pretty amazing stuff so I'm looking forward to giving it a go.

Only realized yesterday that I've amassed quite a few FF games, have yet to finish one though but I thing X will be my first. Started with 15, then tried 7, a dabble with 13 and currently on X with the hope of moving onto XII next. 15 didn't really grab me at all and while 13 looks super and all, the battle system isn't doing anything for me. Think I'll enjoy 7 more once I've a bit more experience with the other games, jumping back to PS era graphics was a bit jarring although I did enjoy what I played of it.

Retr0gamer

Grandia in my opinion has the best battle system of any RPG. Even when battles get samey there's still the challenge to beat battles without taking any damage if you are good enough.

FFX is one of the most complete games in the series in terms of story. Outside of FF Tactics it's the only one that really comes to a satisfying conclusion although on my recent replay it's a lot more obviously rushed than I remembered, especially the pathetic post game.

I hated FF12 but really really enjoyed zodiac age. Take your time with it and do the side quests as they are loads of fun.

skerry

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I found the random battles a major problem. You are just running forward and getting into battles every few steps. Then there's only maybe 2-4 enemy formations so you end up using the same tactics over and over. It makes the random encounters such a chore.

The battle system does really come into it's own in the boss battles and as long as you don't overlevel then there's a few very challenging fights towards the end.

What disappointed me was that there's very few effective ways to manipulate turn order. I find the very best turn based battle systems, the likes of FF Tactics, Grandia, etc. are all about manipulating turn order.

Its definitely a chore when you see a long road ahead of you and know there's a random encounter about to pop up every few steps on the way there, way too close together. It's like forced grinding, I don't mind that sort of stuff if you need to level a bit and you go to an area you know there's a lot of enemies and grind for a half hour, but it does get tedious when its forced on you and you've no way out. In the sections I've completed the last couple of nights, like you mentioned, its the same 3 enemy types that pop up together, one that's weak to physical, one that's weak to magic and an aerial one, gets a bit mindless after a while.

As much as Octopath might not be rated by some on here, yourself included IIRC, I did enjoy the battle system a lot. I know some of the battles can go on a bit for boss fights but there's plenty opportunity offered to manipulate turn order which makes things far more interesting and rewarding. Haven't played Grandia so not sure what the system is like on that but might pick up the collection on Switch at some stage to see how it compares to games I've played so far.

I'm still enjoying the game but its screaming out for a fast forward option for longer stretches. Picked up The Zodiac Age too so will give that a blast once I'm finished FFX

Retr0gamer

I found the random battles a major problem. You are just running forward and getting into battles every few steps. Then there's only maybe 2-4 enemy formations so you end up using the same tactics over and over. It makes the random encounters such a chore.

The battle system does really come into it's own in the boss battles and as long as you don't overlevel then there's a few very challenging fights towards the end.

What disappointed me was that there's very few effective ways to manipulate turn order. I find the very best turn based battle systems, the likes of FF Tactics, Grandia, etc. are all about manipulating turn order.

skerry

Think I'm about halfway through FFX. Probably my favorite battle system out of the other games from the series I've played, which is just as well cos the frequency of random encounters is off the charts. Such a pity they didn't implement any of the mods like the did in the releases of the other games.

Xenji

Glad it is coming out on the Switch as well, the series has always been relaxing to play in bed.

Retr0gamer

So Atelier Ryza is doing incredibly well in Japan. It scored 34/40 in Famitsu (although that means SFA) but also sold 150,000 units in a very big week of releases in Japan. Getting great word of mouth as being one of the best in the series and the new game engine is way better than the old one Dynasty Warriors engine.

Retr0gamer

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy wrote: »

I finally finished FFIV, I always get before the last dungeon and stop but went back to an old save abd finished. Are Interlude or The After Years worth playing?

Nope, they are a bit of a chore. Didn't really enjoy them at all. The Interlude in particular basically takes you to the three most annoying dungeons in the game.

Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy

I finally finished FFIV, I always get before the last dungeon and stop but went back to an old save abd finished. Are Interlude or The After Years worth playing?

skerry

Picked up DQ11 there in Argos. As someone had mentioned earlier reservation says DQ Builders so not sure what's going in there. €48.99 is decent price for it though.

skerry

Evade wrote: »

If you managed to get the Jecht Shot from the memories minigame back on the ship from Kilika to Luca a cheesy early to mid career tactic is pass to Tidus, swim up to the goalie, and Jecht Shot right in his face.

Picked up that move alright and came in useful for a handy goal from Tidus in my first match last night.

Retr0gamer

No, my PC monitor is 60Hz and a pretty good IPs monitor at that.

The Switch's handheld screen is 60Hz as well but it's not perfect and has a bit of ghosting so at 30Hz this adds a bit of unintended motion blur.

PostWoke

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It works a lot better in handheld mode as the screen refresh isn't as good as my IPS monitor so it adds a motion blur effect.

Your monitor is below 60Hz?

RobbingBandit

Would love Ys Origin or chronicles on switch

Evade

skerry wrote: »

Not sure if ye've been watching the updates on Sky Sports lads but we just romped home to a 3-1 victory. Wakka with a screamer to clinch it in the second half after a tight first half. Seriously though, kind of getting used to the offensive side of it but no clue how defending works. I seem to have 0% record of winning tackles but somehow managed to win, I'm sure it'll all make sense in time.

If you managed to get the Jecht Shot from the memories minigame back on the ship from Kilika to Luca a cheesy early to mid career tactic is pass to Tidus, swim up to the goalie, and Jecht Shot right in his face.