Duane Dibbley wrote: » The best part of a no deal brexit for Ireland and the EU is that we can start work dealing with the outcome of brexit and adapt so we can all move on.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Didn't see the papers (they always have a right wing guest to balance the centreist/lefty) but the (Ireland?) correspondent they had on after the 11 PM news was thoroughly cynical about the motives for this proposal. Indeed I've noticed the media starting to ask the questions with an edge that was totally lacking up till now. Everyone sees Boris Johnson is a spoofer at this stage. Even Kussenburg seems to be getting a bit more "ballsy" in tone.
prawnsambo wrote: » Working fine for me, but here goes aain
prawnsambo wrote: » Cars all had 192 D registrations in the 16k range. That would seem pretty recent to me.
liamtech wrote: » If anyone can rewind to the sky news press briefing at 10:30 they will see what i mean - the 11:30 was toned down rather significantly but the earlier review was decidedly anti irish - effective argument, no matter what is offered dublin will say no im sure someone else can confirm this, il see if my sat box will rewind
gooch2k9 wrote: » Is there time for the opposition to act this week? They surely have to do something if what's being reported is the offering from the government.
Seth Brundle wrote: » [...] "getting Brexit done" [...]
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » The only way it seems likely to happen is if Corbyn steps aside for someone like Margaret Beckett to take over. I can understand Corbyn feeling he deserves a crack at it as official opposition leader, but it doesn't look like he has the numbers. He would earn a lot of goodwill if he was seen to put country before party, and step aside for a caretaker PM. Would love it to happen but it seems unlikely.
joe40 wrote: » I noticed the same thing. I think they actually saw some better analysis in the intervening hour. Even the sky reporter described the plan as a cynical move in the blame game, not a realistic offer.
ath262 wrote: » Phil Hogan approved as EU trade commissioner by INTAhttps://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1179083869494169600 according to a report in German - with some homework for himhttps://twitter.com/berndlange/status/1178990170613407745 "Phil #Hogan delivered # 2-3 in the #Hearing to the #Commercial Commissioner, no mistakes, but sometimes a bit vague and not very clear pledges. Now there will be a letter of approval tomorrow, which will include some homework"
joe40 wrote: » Powell on Newsnight was brilliant. Totally nailed Johnson strategy of going for no deal, by tabling a totally unrealistic offer. He also rubbishes the notion of a clean break since negotiations fo Britain as a third country will be more difficult than within article 50. The border issue will still need to be dealt with.
J Mysterio wrote: » And that too is also already availablehttps://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1179154814631989248
Injuryprone wrote: » ... but how are they going to end freedom of movement of people if they have an open border in NI. ... the people part of the border was a non issue because of the CTA,... . But what if someone comes from one of the other 25 EU countries comes to the Republic and crosses the border?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Isn't Priti the woman who thought capital punishment was a good idea? Isn't she the Priti who had to resign from government two years ago because she hid 14 dodgy meetings with 'businessmen', a lobbyist and the Israeli government? Is this the Priti who suggested that Britain should starve Ireland into submission?
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » This is absolutely delusional.https://twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1179027851867295745 Of course they want to deal with a smaller country directly so they can impose their will.
sdanseo wrote: » Was up in Newry today. The "Welcome to Northern Ireland" sign has been vandalised since I was last up there in the spring. Every 3rd car Irish Reg as usual. I've never much pondered how frictionless the border is but it hit me as I was driving back across, all this could be so much more difficult in just a month. The troubles predate my being conscious of them but I've heard the horror stories. By all reports, there are more civilised sub-Saharan dictatorships. Yeah, let's just sort these issues out ourselves with no EU help. That will make it all better. Sure we solved our differences with Tory governments before without external intervention, didn't we? ... :rolleyes:
Enzokk wrote: » As we move on to another day that promises to bring more insanity to Brexit, I fully expect the EU to officially rule out Johnson's plans during his speech, here is a couple of tweets on the plan. Firstly we have a reply to Brexit Party MEP about the plan,https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1179147942566998017?s=20https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1179149354424307712?s=20 Interesting that his replies seem to mean that even if there is a FTA with no tariffs there will still be friction created as paperwork will still be needed to confirm rules of origin. The reply is made to the MEP suggesting that GATT 24 is the answer even if it has been debunked months ago. Then on the plan from Boris, it seems like he did send someone to Dublin to explain the plan. Seems like it went well.https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1179275235096502272?s=20 "#BorisJohnson’s chief of staff sent to Dublin to brief Irish government on UK #Brexit proposals before announcement today. In perhaps understatement of year, Times reports “meeting did not go as well as expected”."
liamtech wrote: » If they 'expected it to go well' then they really are living in a dream I have to say hearing BoJo at the DUP conference on good morning ireland was shocking - cheering and shouts of no surrender - wonderful development in Anglo Irish relations
weemcd wrote: » It's like a time warp to the 70's. Really despicable from both parties. I don't like the road they're going down, it's complete and total zealotry. DUP's short sightedness will be their ultimate downfall, but I fear there will also be a lot of pain suffered because of this. I think a chunk of UUP voters may be inclined to vote Alliance now their leader has stepped down, DUP should be losing votes hand over fist but that doesn't necessarily mean this will happen. I live in Belfast so this is all very close to home.
liamtech wrote: » i really hope your correct, i really do. Perhaps Unionist businesses will see the DUP's position as untenable. and move toward the alliance.. or at least away from a hard right DUP/TUV position.. you mention the UUP, i didnt think they were quite as populist/extreme as the DUP? But i defer to you, and i would be interested in hearing what you think regards these various Unionist Blocks. What i think, is the Unionist community need a strong coherent Unionist party that opposes all of this, to vote for.. they need an alternative.. how about the PUP? What concerns me is the state of the UK Polls. It really does seem that the Conservatives are soaking up the Brexit Parties support so a right wing split, which i had hoped for (for no other reason than my being a leftie and supporting a second ref) is not gonna happen More worrying is that Lab and the Lib Dems are at war with each other - neither seem to be impacting the Rights vote in any meaningful way. so the split is on the left, and given FPTP voting - it could be a bloodbath - the Tories could get an insane majority - which would be devastating interested to see what people have to say
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