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Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

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New thread ladsðŸ˜ŠðŸ˜Š Any update on injuries for this weekends game?

Mod edit: Given how the last thread descended into chaos, we are going to leave that closed and start afresh

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Mastermcgrath

tommylad1212 wrote: »

By law a crowd over 5k needs an ambulance

No chance of that happening at a Waterford club game

thesaturdayman

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Saturdayman, are you familiar with Declan Kelly, JP McManus and Pat McDonagh? Can you tell me who won the last 3 all Irelands?

Challenging the board is fine. Doing it ad nauseum on an online forum without any proposals, or even with regard to financing specific points where you feel funds were allocated poorly and what should have been done though doesn't benefit anybody.

And you slate the board over literally everything, apparently they should be running the WRH now on top of everything else!! To talk about what's been achieved in the last 20 years in a previous post on the field in Waterford (no all Ireland delivered but our most consistent period of success on the field) as if those running it made no contribution says nothing only that you have an axe to grind.

And while I don't doubt there's plenty of scope for improvement or things that need to be called out (the care given to the MT Sion player while still at the grounds on Sunday for example) blaming them for anything and everything doesn't help.

For what it's worth I thought the attendance was poor on Sunday in Walsh Park, was a good crowd in Fraher Field in fairness.

If you want to talk facts and not sling fecies let’s do it.

Facts - who have Carlow, Laois, Offaly backing them? No one major. They all have modern grounds and centers of excellence. We don’t have any such thing, or plans to do it, stuck in a time warp with East west BS & of the above 2 of those 3 would quite progressive relative to us - in actual fact one of their managers turned us down - Bonner.

Facts - Ballygunner generate more commercial revenue then the county board. Waterford are one of only counties in the “top tier” with out a commercial revenue manager - instead they tax clubs by way of levies - totally inept. Which leads us to the below

Facts - Waterford clubs are proportionally the poorest in Munster receiving circa 5.5% of overall funding vs 9% of expected from Munster grants over passed 5 years. Some clubs facilities are brutal & I don’t blame them, it’s the boards issue form bleeding clubs. Something like of the 400k given out 5 clubs accounted for 70%’of it over that period.

Facts - club deise is bled dry helping fund the board, revenue is way back, understandable I guess, but our fundraising efforts are farcical, golf
Classic raised 4-5 grand seemingly the kube close to 25k. Tipp golf classic raised 70k, their celebration of tipp hurling in mansion house dublin 100k. We are absolute paupers & we should not be, there is huge wealth, loads of MNC that should be tapped up. This is something can be fixed with proper planning & foresight

Facts - re HSE comment, my club played a senior championship game last year where one of our players was knocked out cold, went in and out of consciousness & we waited 45 mins for an ambulance. 3 board members were present in kill that day and not one came down, no one checked on him nothing, as a trained first aider I stayed with the chap until ambulance came, I genuinely thought he wasn’t going to make it, was a terrifiying experience looking at his parents and brother whilst on phone to 999, And saying he will be ok etc. on arrival of ambulance & going in to get my gear our chairman elect asked me to “hurry up” as he had to rush home. Not one fck did he give about the injured player. Not one.

And people say why don’t I go for a position in board? That. The farce with minor football.

And lastly this, allegedly the county PRO is on ten grand a year, is essentially an in-law of the Secretary and doesn’t do a tap of work to promote games, she got a bit of jip & was in floods of tears in fraher field, saw it myself. What value does she add? What experience has she? None.

I burst my balls for my club, as most do & not looking for kudos for it, do as much as anyone there and that’s the way it’ll be, I have no intention in working with the board again, I got called out last year & put my hand up for the minor football, like me or loathe me, I said I better back my BS up. A complete **** show unfolded afterwards with broken promises and reneging on agreements & spin took place after. Throw stones at me all ye want, what happened Tom Flynn & Ollie too was a disgrace, really good guys who were treated like ****, discount me if you want I don’t care.

And seeing as there is an infatuation with Derek here, I’ll summarize with a quote;

“Once bitten - twice shy”

tommylad1212

Lingoweet913 wrote: »

So - the answer is at any major match with a large attendance expected. All county games, club finals and semi finals and anything else that could draw a large gate like a local derby. It was as much for crowd as it was for the players.

By law a crowd over 5k needs an ambulance

Lingoweet913

Lingoweet913 wrote: »

Not sure if you’re east or west, but it was a common sight to see them in Fraher field at the river side with ambulance parked by the gate, on the stand side.

So - the answer is at any major match with a large attendance expected. All county games, club finals and semi finals and anything else that could draw a large gate like a local derby. It was as much for crowd as it was for the players.

Lingoweet913

Mulbert wrote: »

Im not trying to be awkward but at what stages of the championship were ambulances in attendance in the past and at what grades. I remember very few over the years.

Maybe the county final but that was it. When did it cease to be the case?

Not sure if you’re east or west, but it was a common sight to see them in Fraher field at the river side with ambulance parked by the gate, on the stand side.

Lingoweet913

Mulbert wrote: »

Im not trying to be awkward but at what stages of the championship were ambulances in attendance in the past and at what grades. I remember very few over the years.

Maybe the county final but that was it. When did it cease to be the case?

No it’s grand ask away, I *think* there was a stage where all senior games would have had ambulances and possibly other grades. I’m curious myself now so will confirm what the arrangement is tomorrow. A friend who was previously on the CCC a few years ago told me about it somewhat recently.

Mulbert

Lingoweet913 wrote: »

100%.

Not sure of the arrangement, financial or otherwise.

Im not trying to be awkward but at what stages of the championship were ambulances in attendance in the past and at what grades. I remember very few over the years.

Maybe the county final but that was it. When did it cease to be the case?

Lingoweet913

Mulbert wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

100%.

Not sure of the arrangement, financial or otherwise.

Stopitwillya

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Saturdayman, are you familiar with Declan Kelly, JP McManus and Pat McDonagh? Can you tell me who won the last 3 all Irelands?

Challenging the board is fine. Doing it ad nauseum on an online forum without any proposals, or even with regard to financing specific points where you feel funds were allocated poorly and what should have been done though doesn't benefit anybody.

And you slate the board over literally everything, apparently they should be running the WRH now on top of everything else!! To talk about what's been achieved in the last 20 years in a previous post on the field in Waterford (no all Ireland delivered but our most consistent period of success on the field) as if those running it made no contribution says nothing only that you have an axe to grind.

And while I don't doubt there's plenty of scope for improvement or things that need to be called out (the care given to the MT Sion player while still at the grounds on Sunday for example) blaming them for anything and everything doesn't help.

For what it's worth I thought the attendance was poor on Sunday in Walsh Park, was a good crowd in Fraher Field in fairness.

He is right to call out the board on lots of the issues that he raises.
What use is doing it on a forum like this and through Twitter.
It will be interesting to see if he puts himself forward for a position with the board.
Delighted they got Liam Cahill.
A return to attacking hurling and hopefully an improvement in our fortunes.
Bring on 2020.

Mulbert

Lingoweet913 wrote: »

Certainly in the past it was common practise

Are you sure about that?

Lingoweet913

Mulbert wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why there should have been an ambulance at either ground this weekend?

99% of sporting events happen without an ambulance and crew in attendance?

Certainly in the past it was common practise

Mulbert

Can anyone tell me why there should have been an ambulance at either ground this weekend?

99% of sporting events happen without an ambulance and crew in attendance?

Road-Hog

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Saturdayman, are you familiar with Declan Kelly, JP McManus and Pat McDonagh? Can you tell me who won the last 3 all Irelands?

Challenging the board is fine. Doing it ad nauseum on an online forum without any proposals, or even with regard to financing specific points where you feel funds were allocated poorly and what should have been done though doesn't benefit anybody.

And you slate the board over literally everything, apparently they should be running the WRH now on top of everything else!! To talk about what's been achieved in the last 20 years in a previous post on the field in Waterford (no all Ireland delivered but our most consistent period of success on the field) as if those running it made no contribution says nothing only that you have an axe to grind.

And while I don't doubt there's plenty of scope for improvement or things that need to be called out (the care given to the MT Sion player while still at the grounds on Sunday for example) blaming them for anything and everything doesn't help.

For what it's worth I thought the attendance was poor on Sunday in Walsh Park, was a good crowd in Fraher Field in fairness.

Would Declan Kelly be Labour TD Alan Kelly’s brother....? Know who the other two are.......you are correct Waterford county board are way behind in terms of ‘sugar daddy’ type financing.......McManus has been bank rolling limerick for years.......and I’m sure Cork, Kerry, Dublin, Wexford, have huge financial contributors behind the scenes

mountgomery burns

Saturdayman, are you familiar with Declan Kelly, JP McManus and Pat McDonagh? Can you tell me who won the last 3 all Irelands?

Challenging the board is fine. Doing it ad nauseum on an online forum without any proposals, or even with regard to financing specific points where you feel funds were allocated poorly and what should have been done though doesn't benefit anybody.

And you slate the board over literally everything, apparently they should be running the WRH now on top of everything else!! To talk about what's been achieved in the last 20 years in a previous post on the field in Waterford (no all Ireland delivered but our most consistent period of success on the field) as if those running it made no contribution says nothing only that you have an axe to grind.

And while I don't doubt there's plenty of scope for improvement or things that need to be called out (the care given to the MT Sion player while still at the grounds on Sunday for example) blaming them for anything and everything doesn't help.

For what it's worth I thought the attendance was poor on Sunday in Walsh Park, was a good crowd in Fraher Field in fairness.

Fred C Dobbs

Gardner wrote: »

Just got sent this from a friend. He described it as one of the worst interviews he has ever heard. don't think it was one of the worst interviews but some very cringe moments during it and a poor to average interview. first thing this morning on the DT Show

Agreed, this was not the worst interview I've heard (most player / manager interviews are boring and reveal very little).

What did people expect him to say on his first 'official' interview. Came across as straight talking (no flowery language used).

Bring on 2020.

PTH2009

Gardner wrote: »

Just got sent this from a friend. He described it as one of the worst interviews he has ever heard. don't think it was one of the worst interviews but some very cringe moments during it and a poor to average interview. first thing this morning on the DT Show

https://www.wlrfm.com/deise-today/

He said he may be keeping on some backroom members from this years teams ???

Anyone worth keeping ??

HelloHello1234

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Just to reply to this again - delighted that ultimately it wasnt Queally that got it.

Least we have the heir apparent in Tipp / one of better up and coming mgrs. Something of a coup given our current lot.

I didnt think Peter was the best man then and i still dont now, but i do think he deserved better and whoever leaked that story to michael moynihan is an absolute disgrace to Waterford. They shouldnt be let near anything to do with GAA again.

Whilst I have no issue with the mgr, the selectors, trainers etc, it by all accounts is financed via club deise and via a private donor - the rumoured donor is something of a "living legend" or as they say as Gaeilge - Finnsceal Beo.....

What i do have an issue with, is why we are dependent on someones outstanding generosity. This is akin to the FAI here, reliant on the Denis O brien donations to pay for the best available, why isnt the money there?

Why isnt there the sustainable business at board level to be able to afford the cost of 40-50 grand a year + another 200k or so to get the support team around the senior hurlers.

It is being trumpeted as a great success and it is. What happens next time - could be next year - when the donor says, not for me lads - like the FAI , Waterford FC, the whole thing comes crumpling down.

I appreciate there is a review underway of hurling in the county, but does this include county board governance? county board finances? the business accumen and gravitas of county board people?

We have the same old , tired , useless faces & like Walsh Park this is just papering over the cracks.

At least the money is going to the hurlers and they might give us all a few decent days out next year, but it feels like we are kicking the can down the road.... we havent a pot to psis in and its never going to change but that said we got the best we could get and thats to be embraced.

Its feels like the time the board were celebrating how well Walsh park was looking pre Munster champ this year - why was the question asked why isnt it always looking that way? It is normal to cut the grass amongst other things!!

Reality is only for one persons generosity we would end up with the best of the bargain basket again & further more, where are the media in challenging this rubbish?

Its being marketed and sold as a triumph & i am all for a bit of positivity as there are too many knockers (big one here) but i do feel we are heading towards the abyss and nobody is asking why or what are we doing about it.

Martin Cullen was right, to paraphrase him, first class supporters and players with fourth class backing at board level.

Do you honestly think no other county has 'sugar daddys'.
Thats waterfords biggest downfall that nobody is investing in it. There are **** all people going to games and when they raise the prices to accomadate this people call it being greedy. id be amazed if there is more than 5000 at the county final. were ranked as one of the lowest national season ticket holders in the country. If people were to buy these who claim to be big supporters of waterford hurling and go to every game, then we would see much more funding. you could see how poorly we were outnumbered in the stand at home to limerick and clare last year and id imagine the stand will be full with tipperary and cork next year.

There is no way the county board can be self sufficent without a donor because all waterford people do is knock there own and complain.

My main grief on here is the amount of people that knock the board but never once step up at county conventions to be nominated for position.

I think its a credit to the board that we have managed to get this man on board.

Deisefacts

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Just to reply to this again - delighted that ultimately it wasnt Queally that got it.

Least we have the heir apparent in Tipp / one of better up and coming mgrs. Something of a coup given our current lot.

I didnt think Peter was the best man then and i still dont now, but i do think he deserved better and whoever leaked that story to michael moynihan is an absolute disgrace to Waterford. They shouldnt be let near anything to do with GAA again.

Whilst I have no issue with the mgr, the selectors, trainers etc, it by all accounts is financed via club deise and via a private donor - the rumoured donor is something of a "living legend" or as they say as Gaeilge - Finnsceal Beo.....

What i do have an issue with, is why we are dependent on someones outstanding generosity. This is akin to the FAI here, reliant on the Denis O brien donations to pay for the best available, why isnt the money there?

Why isnt there the sustainable business at board level to be able to afford the cost of 40-50 grand a year + another 200k or so to get the support team around the senior hurlers.

It is being trumpeted as a great success and it is. What happens next time - could be next year - when the donor says, not for me lads - like the FAI , Waterford FC, the whole thing comes crumpling down.

I appreciate there is a review underway of hurling in the county, but does this include county board governance? county board finances? the business accumen and gravitas of county board people?

We have the same old , tired , useless faces & like Walsh Park this is just papering over the cracks.

At least the money is going to the hurlers and they might give us all a few decent days out next year, but it feels like we are kicking the can down the road.... we havent a pot to psis in and its never going to change but that said we got the best we could get and thats to be embraced.

Its feels like the time the board were celebrating how well Walsh park was looking pre Munster champ this year - why was the question asked why isnt it always looking that way? It is normal to cut the grass amongst other things!!

Reality is only for one persons generosity we would end up with the best of the bargain basket again & further more, where are the media in challenging this rubbish?

Its being marketed and sold as a triumph & i am all for a bit of positivity as there are too many knockers (big one here) but i do feel we are heading towards the abyss and nobody is asking why or what are we doing about it.

Martin Cullen was right, to paraphrase him, first class supporters and players with fourth class backing at board level.

Excellent post as usual. Well thought out. I too am looking forward to seeing how Liam Cahills team will line out and style of play. Listened to his interview this morning and delighted to hear him saying that from what he saw he’d be lining Aussie at centre back. A positive step. But I really wish the structures were in place for us to go forward. Unfortunately they aren’t and we are stumbling from 1 mess to the next. The weekend just gone highlighting were we are. From the poorly fixed semi finals to the unavailability of an ambulance at either county ground to the shortage of stewards and Gardai at both venues. Nobody wants to be constantly complaining about things but they aren’t making it easy to be positive about the future. I’d be a lot more happy about the future with Liam Cahill if we’d a more proactive and forwarding thinking county board. The players are there and there has been 4/5 fellas put their hand up to be added to the panel. A new county board,a restructured coaching and games and we’ll be ready to challenge again

Gardner

blue note wrote: »

Liam, if you're reading this forum God help you. Expect half the posters here to call for you to drop virtually all players to ever have played for Waterford by the time championship comes around. This was called for at the end of last year but has probably been forgotten about already. Also, regardless of what sort of system you play rest assured that it won't be understood, but will be criticised. There's no expectation from you because we don't have the players, but regardless of that even if you get to an all Ireland final you'll be underachieving if you don't win.

It's not all doom and gloom though. You've a panel of players who came close to winning an all Ireland a couple of years ago. There was a write off injury year immediately after and a farcical set up for a year, but if the panel is primed for championship we could get to any stage.

On the off chance that you do read here please stop immediately, it'll do you no good. Best of luck with the year though.

Just got sent this from a friend. He described it as one of the worst interviews he has ever heard. don't think it was one of the worst interviews but some very cringe moments during it and a poor to average interview. first thing this morning on the DT Show

https://www.wlrfm.com/deise-today/

BazBox

Alf Tupper wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Redhead63975379/status/1178959823486013440

:rolleyes: New manager, new selectors, hopefully a new dawn for hurling in Waterford etc. and still some people carry the obsession

thesaturdayman

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Nothing positive yet. Been here before. See Matty Kenny, Pat Ryan, Brendan Cummins. It is at least a step in right direction

Questions remain. Plenty of them. Such as how are we financing this? Or should we say what well known person is!

Why is our board a totally unsustainable business entity that allegedly needs handouts for us to do fundamental things like put decent mgmt teams in place!

This is like the time people spent months congratulating the board for cutting the grass in Walsh park & having the place looking respectable / acceptable.

Bread and butter stuff. These conversations don’t happen in any other county!

Dunno much about Cahill, people in the know seem happy, so do players, that’s good enough for me, how they play I couldn’t care less once they are winning again, but I do feel Peter Queally was sent down the river.

Again.

Which he doesn’t deserve.

A slap in the face to great serveant.

Just to reply to this again - delighted that ultimately it wasnt Queally that got it.

Least we have the heir apparent in Tipp / one of better up and coming mgrs. Something of a coup given our current lot.

I didnt think Peter was the best man then and i still dont now, but i do think he deserved better and whoever leaked that story to michael moynihan is an absolute disgrace to Waterford. They shouldnt be let near anything to do with GAA again.

Whilst I have no issue with the mgr, the selectors, trainers etc, it by all accounts is financed via club deise and via a private donor - the rumoured donor is something of a "living legend" or as they say as Gaeilge - Finnsceal Beo.....

What i do have an issue with, is why we are dependent on someones outstanding generosity. This is akin to the FAI here, reliant on the Denis O brien donations to pay for the best available, why isnt the money there?

Why isnt there the sustainable business at board level to be able to afford the cost of 40-50 grand a year + another 200k or so to get the support team around the senior hurlers.

It is being trumpeted as a great success and it is. What happens next time - could be next year - when the donor says, not for me lads - like the FAI , Waterford FC, the whole thing comes crumpling down.

I appreciate there is a review underway of hurling in the county, but does this include county board governance? county board finances? the business accumen and gravitas of county board people?

We have the same old , tired , useless faces & like Walsh Park this is just papering over the cracks.

At least the money is going to the hurlers and they might give us all a few decent days out next year, but it feels like we are kicking the can down the road.... we havent a pot to psis in and its never going to change but that said we got the best we could get and thats to be embraced.

Its feels like the time the board were celebrating how well Walsh park was looking pre Munster champ this year - why was the question asked why isnt it always looking that way? It is normal to cut the grass amongst other things!!

Reality is only for one persons generosity we would end up with the best of the bargain basket again & further more, where are the media in challenging this rubbish?

Its being marketed and sold as a triumph & i am all for a bit of positivity as there are too many knockers (big one here) but i do feel we are heading towards the abyss and nobody is asking why or what are we doing about it.

Martin Cullen was right, to paraphrase him, first class supporters and players with fourth class backing at board level.

Alf Tupper

https://twitter.com/Redhead63975379/status/1178959823486013440

carter10

blue note wrote: »

Liam, if you're reading this forum God help you. Expect half the posters here to call for you to drop virtually all players to ever have played for Waterford by the time championship comes around. This was called for at the end of last year but has probably been forgotten about already. Also, regardless of what sort of system you play rest assured that it won't be understood, but will be criticised. There's no expectation from you because we don't have the players, but regardless of that even if you get to an all Ireland final you'll be underachieving if you don't win.

It's not all doom and gloom though. You've a panel of players who came close to winning an all Ireland a couple of years ago. There was a write off injury year immediately after and a farcical set up for a year, but if the panel is primed for championship we could get to any stage.

On the off chance that you do read here please stop immediately, it'll do you no good. Best of luck with the year though.

garv123

cul beag wrote: »

If his game plan involves ball winners in the forwards then Tommy Ryan, Colin Dunford, Mikey Kearney are going to struggle. On the other side there must be opportunities for a lot of the names we have mentioned previously as a lot of these guys are more than capable in that department.

Stick any of those lads in the full forward line and put in proper low ball and they'll have no issue winning their own ball.

Stick them in 1 vs 3 in the full forward line and lob in high ball.. not so much.

cul beag

Parishman wrote: »

Best of luck Liam and Michael. Like every manager that has gone before you we will give you all the support we can no matter where we have to travel. Plenty of unpolished gems in Waterford that need exposure at senior level whether it is the training, S &C and your tactics. We might yet have the makings of a great team in years ahead. Excited now Hon the Deise

Agree with you but does he stick or twist? A lot of faith has been shown with the current squad and for one reason or another they haven’t produced over the past few years. Will he freshen it up or will he try to persevere with the same panel? You would imagine a lot of the information he receives will be from whomever he brings in with him so a lot will depend on them at the start.

Parishman

60 Years and overdue, how many have gone to grave never seeing us win another one since then or never won one at all.
Think of all the guys who gave everything to Waterford and we have had some of the finest men ever to grace a field.

Road-Hog

Parishman wrote: »

Best of luck Liam and Michael. Like every manager that has gone before you we will give you all the support we can no matter where we have to travel. Plenty of unpolished gems in Waterford that need exposure at senior level whether it is the training, S &C and your tactics. We might yet have the makings of a great team in years ahead. Excited now Hon the Deise

Would echo all the above. Could you imagine if we were to win an all Ireland with Liam cahill in charge.....60 years to the day on friday since the last win......country has transformed hugely since but not so sure about the Waterford county board

Parishman

Best of luck Liam and Michael. Like every manager that has gone before you we will give you all the support we can no matter where we have to travel. Plenty of unpolished gems in Waterford that need exposure at senior level whether it is the training, S &C and your tactics. We might yet have the makings of a great team in years ahead. Excited now Hon the Deise

thesaturdayman

Obi1mikal wrote: »

They tweeted best wishes 24 hours later, is that not sufficient?

Sounds reasonable to me...

blue note

Liam, if you're reading this forum God help you. Expect half the posters here to call for you to drop virtually all players to ever have played for Waterford by the time championship comes around. This was called for at the end of last year but has probably been forgotten about already. Also, regardless of what sort of system you play rest assured that it won't be understood, but will be criticised. There's no expectation from you because we don't have the players, but regardless of that even if you get to an all Ireland final you'll be underachieving if you don't win.

It's not all doom and gloom though. You've a panel of players who came close to winning an all Ireland a couple of years ago. There was a write off injury year immediately after and a farcical set up for a year, but if the panel is primed for championship we could get to any stage.

On the off chance that you do read here please stop immediately, it'll do you no good. Best of luck with the year though.