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Buying a car with it's EGR and DPF removed/blanked

lawred2

Are there any legal implications? Implications for an NCT etc?

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HailSatan

I mean... It's no accident we don't have strict tests for PM or any tests at all for NOx, is it?

grogi

DPF reduces the concentration of soot particles by 100x or even more. Some will say that it then regenerates and throws that $hit out. That's true - but that **** is burned and instead CO2 is expelled. (I am not saying CO2 is not harmful - it is in global scale. But it is just much less harmful than PM).

EGR reduces the concentration of NOx by 50x or more...

Legalities on one side, but think about the environmental impact...

HailSatan

grogi wrote: »

DPF reduces the concentration of soot particles by 100x or even more. Some will say that it then regenerates and throws that $hit out. That's true - but that **** is burned and instead CO2 is expelled. (I am not saying CO2 is not harmful - it is in global scale. But it is just much less harmful than PM).

EGR reduces the concentration of NOx by 50x or more...

Legalities on one side, but think about the environmental impact...

So there should be a standard test for these?

And yet

NuttyMcNutty

lawred2 wrote: »

Why would you remove them? That I can't answer. I didn't do it. Owner says it was to avoid costly issues with coked up valves and filters.

What year is the car? These DPF filters were a pain in the @ss a while back. I had a 2008 oct rs on a 4 year lease. Car went into limp mode a couple of times and just before bringing it back I was being quoted 2 grand to replace it. It cost 3 hundred to remove.

That's why people remove them.

lawred2

NuttyMcNutty wrote: »

What year is the car? These DPF filters were a pain in the @ss a while back. I had a 2008 oct rs on a 4 year lease. Car went into limp mode a couple of times and just before bringing it back I was being quoted 2 grand to replace it. It cost 3 hundred to remove.

That's why people remove them.

2009 I think

HailSatan

NuttyMcNutty wrote: »

What year is the car? These DPF filters were a pain in the @ss a while back. I had a 2008 oct rs on a 4 year lease. Car went into limp mode a couple of times and just before bringing it back I was being quoted 2 grand to replace it. It cost 3 hundred to remove.

That's why people remove them.

There should be some watertight super warranty on all emissions control equipment. Make it the manufacturers problem. Anyone see the EU going for that?

Nobody?

Nobody?

grogi

HailSatan wrote: »

So there should be a standard test for these?

And yet

Absolutely. Unfortunately it is very difficult to test for NOx and unfeasible at this stage to have every NCT centre to perform such test.

grogi

HailSatan wrote: »

There should be some watertight super warranty on all emissions control equipment. Make it the manufacturers problem. Anyone see the EU going for that?

Nobody?

Nobody?

That would be brilliant. Plus physical limitations of the engine construction, so it won't work without emission control.

NuttyMcNutty

lawred2 wrote: »

2009 I think

Yeah certain models around that time were piss poor, last couple of diesels from 2013 up to now I have not had a problem.

jmreire

HailSatan wrote: »

What kind of testing do they do in UK beyond eyeballing it?

"The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency has caught 1,800 drivers since 2014 driving with the pollution-reducing filter removed from their car. While it's not illegal to remove a car's DPF, it is illegal to drive without it if one should be fitted.Oct 30, 2017"
"A new MOT Inspection Manual draft document is the MOT test for diesel cars is changing.
The most significant area for diesel car owners is stricter rules on the permissible level of emissions of cars fitted with a DPF. If a car’s exhaust emits visible smoke of any colour, it will fail the MOT test.
Testers are also required to check if diesel cars’ DPFs have been tampered with or removed. If there are visible signs of this, the tester must refuse to test the car unless the owner can provide a legitimate reason for it having been removed, such as for cleaning. It’s already illegal to drive a vehicle that has had its DPF removed.

Murof

I've a 2012 Mondeo and the DPF caused me untold trouble. Limp mode popped up so DPF was removed and cleaned at a cost of €300, this didn't work so the vapouriser was replaced at a cost of €300. Numerous forced regens later it was eventually put right but if I had have knew the pain it would cause I would have gutted it the first time. The next time something goes wrong with it, it's coming out for good. Stupid things. Will blank the EGR too if that acts up. I care about the environment and all that jazz but if it's costing me a small fortune it can go to hell for all I care.

listermint

Most of these dpf and egr removal owners should never have had a diesel in the first place. Period.

Removing systems because their mileage and their driving style doesn't suit the car.

HailSatan

But diesel is saving the environment isn't it?

listermint

HailSatan wrote: »

But diesel is saving the environment isn't it?

You've made your point.

It's boring now.

Done?

cnocbui

Buy a car that runs on petrol.

HailSatan

Most of these dpf and egr removal owners should never have had a diesel in the first place. Period.

Removing systems because their mileage and their driving style doesn't suit the car.

cnocbui

HailSatan wrote: »

Most of these dpf and egr removal owners should never have had a diesel in the first place. Period.

Removing systems because their mileage and their driving style doesn't suit the car.

Blame the stupid Irish government for using tax measures to force people to buy diesels.

HailSatan

You've made your point.

It's boring now.

Done?

cnocbui

HailSatan wrote: »

You've made your point.

It's boring now.

Done?

No, just getting warmed up.

grogi

HailSatan wrote: »

Most of these dpf and egr removal owners should never have had a diesel in the first place. Period.

Removing systems because their mileage and their driving style doesn't suit the car.

Nonsense.

DPFs clog because there is too much fuel in the mixture. This is typically caused by otherwise harmless leak between air mass sensor and the cylinder. The engine simply thinks it gets more air than actually gets into it, and doses the fuel accordingly...

HailSatan

You've made your point.

It's boring now.

Done?

User1998

cnocbui wrote: »

Buy a car that runs on petrol.

Some petrol cars are now being fitted with PPF filters (Petrol Particulate Filter)

Lewis_Benson

Murof wrote: »

I've a 2012 Mondeo and the DPF caused me untold trouble. Limp mode popped up so DPF was removed and cleaned at a cost of €300, this didn't work so the vapouriser was replaced at a cost of €300. Numerous forced regens later it was eventually put right but if I had have knew the pain it would cause I would have gutted it the first time. The next time something goes wrong with it, it's coming out for good. Stupid things. Will blank the EGR too if that acts up. I care about the environment and all that jazz but if it's costing me a small fortune it can go to hell for all I care.

Then you DON'T care about the environment and all that jazz.
What kind of driving do you do?

_Brian

listermint wrote: »

Most of these dpf and egr removal owners should never have had a diesel in the first place. Period.

Removing systems because their mileage and their driving style doesn't suit the car.

That’s not always the case though.

We’ve had car with dpf trouble. It was doing 35-40k km a year with 2 hour blasts on motorway 3-4 times a week. Regularly serviced, never left with codes or faults.

DPF still caked up at 120,000mikes.

antietam1

Article in todays Irish times saying it's illegal to drive with dpf and egr removed.
And that roadside tests are going to look for this.
They mention the gloved finger(gulp) up the exhaust pipe looking for a bypassed/removed or drilled through dpf.
Was offered EGR blanked and remapped DPF removed on my 1.6 HDI for €550.
I have a little over two years left on my NCT but I want to stay legal also €550 could be spent on a trade in.
If anyone will take it, hearing also some of the Peugeot updates practically leave the EGR open all the time, there goes the environment.
Car has plenty of power and all glow plugs just now replaced, still showing alarm for DPF blockage.
Year 2010 Peugeot 3008 driving well but only giving about 30mpg on the motorway.

colm_mcm

Where’s the law?

antietam1

colm_mcm wrote: »

Where’s the law?

Don't know, here's the link you might need to log in.
https://www.irishtimes.com/advertising-feature/a-car-with-a-dpf-filter-removed-cannot-legally-drive-on-public-roads-in-ireland-1.4119079
Last year by the way.

colm_mcm

The absence of the DPF makes the vehicle non-compliant with the homologation certificate; Irish law stipulates vehicle homologation is mandatory for all vehicles driving on public roads.

Meh.

antietam1

Yeah well I'll stay street legal.

User1998

antietam1 wrote: »

Don't know, here's the link you might need to log in.
https://www.irishtimes.com/advertising-feature/a-car-with-a-dpf-filter-removed-cannot-legally-drive-on-public-roads-in-ireland-1.4119079
Last year by the way.

Thats a stupid article, its obvious that its sponsored by the DPF cleaning company mentioned towards the end. DPF cleaning companies have been saying for years that removing the DPF is illegal and will fail an NCT when its clearly not true