Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: » No you don’t. No one on this earth knows. You, like millions of others believe there is a God and afterlife but you don’t know it for a fact. No one has ever provided a scintilla of proof in any form that God exists. You have faith, you don’t have proof.I think your brother might be a little bit ‘special’
Francisco Blue Detective wrote: » Chances are favourable, that there is indeed a (sky) God, the only argument against it is 'transportation' (as we understand it). God is nearly always described as coming down from the sky, or speaking to Moses from above/the sky (other worldly), even Mary was came down upon in a 'visitation'. How many planets in the universe can support life? A. 60,000,000,0000 What are the chances they are more god-like (more evolved than us?) Maybe 50:50 (for the sake of argument). Odds of a existance of a God: 1 / 30,000,0000,000. Odds of winning Euromills: 139,838,160 / 1 Note the position of the /1.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I am not sure that it true because although many people in Ireland do not consider themselves religious or even believers. Many were once and follow those frameworks and 'guidelines' still subconsciously at least. I think the void religion has left though is mental health issues and the like. People used to receive some solace in prayer years ago, when it was the done thing. Now people have to be told to talk and interact with each other - they have to be reminded to think of others. When religion was the in thing it filled this void.
realitykeeper wrote: » I know there is a God and an after life. I was watching a movie some time back and it it a leftist Portuguese intellectual was saying there is no after life and if there were, the eternity of it would be absolute hell. This is presumptuous. It exhibits a limited imagination. Even in this life, eternity is all around us in the form of time and space. God, who knows ever hair on every head, is our architect and as such the eternity which awaits the righteous is tailor made.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » The bit I don't get about religion is that there are so many of them. If you back one how do you know you are backing the wrong horse on the basis of chance/faith alone? Plus a person's religion nearly always seems to be whichever religion a parent/s were so it seems to be the luck of the draw no real logic to it.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » eviltwin wrote: » I don't think religion makes a difference. If you're the kind of person who is kind, helpful and charitable then you'll be that way regardless. Religion has been used to hide behind hate and judgment by people who are probably just nasty anyway. My only concern is how some religions feel they have the right to talk about how non members chose to live. I think the void religion has left though is mental health issues and the like. People used to receive some solace in prayer years ago, when it was the done thing. Now people have to be told to talk and interact with each other - they have to be reminded to think of others. When religion was the in thing it filled this void.
eviltwin wrote: » I don't think religion makes a difference. If you're the kind of person who is kind, helpful and charitable then you'll be that way regardless. Religion has been used to hide behind hate and judgment by people who are probably just nasty anyway. My only concern is how some religions feel they have the right to talk about how non members chose to live.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » The bit I don't get about religion is that there are so many of them. If you back one how do you know you are backing the wrong horse on the basis of chance/faith alone?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Plus a person's religion nearly always seems to be whichever religion a parent/s were so it seems to be the luck of the draw no real logic to it.
Drumpot wrote: » corks finest wrote: » Yes 100, having lost 2 kids and parents and 4 siblings in the last 13 years without God in my life I wouldn't be here,know it's personal but I'll ALWAYS big up my God It’s funny cause I do visit my dads grave and do talk to him sometimes. I really miss him but I don’t get caught up worrying about if he’s listening or in heaven. I just find it cathartic.
corks finest wrote: » Yes 100, having lost 2 kids and parents and 4 siblings in the last 13 years without God in my life I wouldn't be here,know it's personal but I'll ALWAYS big up my God
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Guy:Incognito wrote: » Surely if they need the fear of god to be nice to people, they arent nice people and are just being nice so god doesnt smite them? That is one of looking at it the negative way. But I don't know if you follow GAA - but there is a manager for tyrone called Micky Harte he is very religious. His faith has kept him sane in the face of tragedy when his daughter was murdered.https://extra.ie/2018/03/30/news/real-life/mickey-harte-documentary-death-daughterhttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/family-faith-and-football-the-mickey-harte-interview-1.3369507 If that brings a guy solace what is the harm in it? I might not believe in it myself nor need it - but I would not knock it outright just because I don't.
Guy:Incognito wrote: » Surely if they need the fear of god to be nice to people, they arent nice people and are just being nice so god doesnt smite them?
AndrewJRenko wrote: » The harm in it is that he insists that the full team attends Mass with him before each match, abusing his position to impose his personal beliefs on others.
Drumpot wrote: » If a person who wants the end of religion hasn’t asked themselves “what will we lose with the end of religion” they haven’t really thought it through at all. This is such a mob pitchfork mentality, wipe something out without learning anything. There are so many good practices in religion that will be lost and replaced with individualistic selfish principles. Consumerism is one thing filling the void. Another one is Online media bullsh*t platforms like Facebook and Instagram that are giving people alternative ways of reaching their congregations and in doing so isolating themselves more from reality.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » You know atheists can do this too right?
Taliyah Vast Gofer wrote: » HappyAsLarE wrote: » Nobody believes in God. If they did believe there was a all knowing being that would judge us at the end for our sins then they would be much better people. I know God doesn’t exist, but I try to live like he does. Are you inaccurate much or do you just pretend to be? I believe in God. He won't judge us for our sins, He'll judge us for not believing in His Son. When we do that, He starts a process that transforms us and gives us hope in this life and the next.
HappyAsLarE wrote: » Nobody believes in God. If they did believe there was a all knowing being that would judge us at the end for our sins then they would be much better people. I know God doesn’t exist, but I try to live like he does.
Drumpot wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » You know atheists can do this too right? Never said they can’t but how do they justify what they are doing? There is a difference between fondly remembering a loved one to actually talking with them for comfort. An atheist is effectively talking to an imaginary person (sound familiar)who doesn’t exist anymore. Having an emotional attachment to somebody makes it understandable. But if you think they don’t exist anymore (no heaven) you are effectively talking to yourself and creating a second character ( that doesn’t exist) to be a part of the conversation.
NickNickleby wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » The harm in it is that he insists that the full team attends Mass with him before each match, abusing his position to impose his personal beliefs on others. I've always associated GAA with Fianna Fail, 'republican' songs and Irish Catholicism, so the news that GAA players go to mass before a match doesn't surprise me. That Mickey Harte insists on it IS news to me though. I've met the man, he doesn't strike me as a religious fanatic.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » I guess the difference is that the atheist knows that they are actually talking to themselves, whereas the Christian pretends otherwise.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/tyrone-squad-put-faith-in-pre-match-rosary-455117.html
Zorya wrote: That is unimaginable suffering. My sincere condolences to you.
stratowide wrote: » AndrewJRenko wrote: » https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/tyrone-squad-put-faith-in-pre-match-rosary-455117.html What happens if both teams go to mass..? Surely this is a dilemma even for god. How will it be decided..the most prayers..?favourite team maybe..? Hmmm it's a tough one for him alright.
Drumpot wrote: But it actually shines a light on another part of religion. The comfort it can bring and how can help heal a family. Those who detest religion will never really discuss this and will try to turn it around.
Zorya wrote: The people who yak about the cruelty of religions are really talking about the cruelty of humans and the cruelty of political machinations. Politics take over all religions, they become power structures. I always saw the church as a political institution as a child and found it hollow, left at 16. It is the same politics in Lamaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, everything, people sucking at power. The exoteric manipulation of crowds and creeds. But there are great thinkers and great thought to be found since forever in the esoteric or inner parts - without which we would be a lesser species.
Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: No you don’t. No one on this earth knows. You, like millions of others believe there is a God and afterlife but you don’t know it for a fact. No one has ever provided a scintilla of proof in any form that God exists. You have faith, you don’t have proof.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Might you be confusing me with someone else? To your point though - you’re again conflating “the Church” with “people who are guilty of aiding and abetting criminals”. They’re not even close to being the same thing. Draw a Venn diagram and there would be a very small intersection between the two groups. You even admit as much yourself when you acknowledge that a small number of church members committed crimes (we’re agreed on that much), but then you go completely off the reservation to try and tar the majority of members of the Catholic Church, before coming back to again acknowledging that it was “the higher ups” (and I would suggest only a minority among the higher ups), who aided and abetted and facilitated criminal behaviour among a minority of it’s members. The argument is as dumb as suggesting that the majority of rapes are committed by men, therefore all men are guilty of committing rape, and if men don’t buy into the whole “rape culture” nonsense, they’re aiding, abetting and facilitating the minority of men who commit rape. I’d tell anyone to fcuk off with that kind of shìte if they tried to associate me with rapists solely by virtue of the fact that we share one trait in common.
corks finest wrote: » Faith is the basis for all religions,those who don't understand or have it are at a loss to fully understand ppl with a religious belief
corks finest wrote: » You're spot on reference comfort,I've learned to handle my grief through God,I'm not ashamed to say I talk to my God,the holy spirit,Mary,my dead relatives it makes me connect,( I'm not in about talking in public etc,but in a quit moment of reflection,or looking at a loved ones photo etc)
uptherebels wrote: » No not confusing you with someone else, alas touch screen phones. You can't separate the church from its membership. Those that committed crimes were protected by others who are in turn supported by the rest.
uptherebels wrote: » The difference to your ridiculous rape comparison is that men who commit rapes don't have the support and protection of any group or organisation in an effort to protect its power and money, least of all one that preaches "morality".
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